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Old 05-04-2016, 02:24 PM
 
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She should then choose not to have children.
Then either no women work or no women have children.

Whats wrong with her taking her leave time or unpaid leave time to have a child.

 
Old 05-04-2016, 02:24 PM
 
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I ask again: Are you a solitary animal?






As long as you are a member of society you are expected to make a contribution. You may love individualism, but as you know you ARE NOT A SOLITARY ANIMAL.

I like your ideas, but you are either black or white.

Regarding morality: The only reason health insurance was developed was to pool resources so humans could take care of each other at the time of illness. IN a sense health insurance was a form of socialism until the CEOs figure they could extract extra money from the patients to make a profit.

You are presenting your position by repeating recycled republican slogans. I invite you to think about the fact that you are not a solitary animal.
I am not advocating complete individualism and please do not take things to the extreme.

I am saying that the taxpayers should not be the first in line to pay your bills. You and your families should be. When you and your family can't afford to pay the bills or to raise your children, it would be for the benefit of the children, aka future of the society, that the taxpayers take the children away and put them into foster care or adoption.

Is that not fair and good for the society?
 
Old 05-04-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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Then either no women work or no women have children.

Whats wrong with her taking her leave time or unpaid leave time to have a child.
Nothing wrong as long as it's left between the employer and employee without government mandate.
 
Old 05-04-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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I am not advocating individualism and please do not take things to the extreme.

I am saying that the taxpayers should not be the first in line to pay your bills. You and your families should be. When you and your family can't afford to pay the bills or to raise your children, it would be for the benefit of the children, aka future of the society, that the taxpayers take the children away and put them into foster care or adoption.

Is that not fair and good for the society?
Please answer how taking unpaid leave time is having taxpayers pay your bills?
 
Old 05-04-2016, 02:28 PM
 
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Please explain in detail how taxpayers are taking on the financial burden of other people's children when the mother takes maternity leave.

The FMLA sets the standard for all kinds of leave pertaining to families. The government does not compensate companies when their employees take leave.

So, please explain...
Who pays for the leave?
 
Old 05-04-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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Please answer how taking unpaid leave time is having taxpayers pay your bills?
Who pays for the leave? Someone must have to cover the cost when the person takes the leave, no? Who are the someone?
 
Old 05-04-2016, 02:34 PM
 
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I ask again: Are you a solitary animal?






As long as you are a member of society you are expected to make a contribution. You may love individualism, but as you know you ARE NOT A SOLITARY ANIMAL.

I like your ideas, but you are either black or white.

Regarding morality: The only reason health insurance was developed was to pool resources so humans could take care of each other at the time of illness. IN a sense health insurance was a form of socialism until the CEOs figure they could extract extra money from the patients to make a profit.

You are presenting your position by repeating recycled republican slogans. I invite you to think about the fact that you are not a solitary animal.
You can be ENCOURAGED to make a contribution, but shouldn't be FORCED to.

This country, and our society, is NOT communist. It's founded on individual freedom. Got that? Individual. As in solitary.
 
Old 05-04-2016, 02:37 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Who pays for the leave?
THIS is your detailed explanation of how taxpayers pay for maternity leave? lol

I'm curious. Who do you think pays for it?
 
Old 05-04-2016, 02:41 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Who pays for the leave? Someone must have to cover the cost when the person takes the leave, no? Who are the someone?
Yes, someone does. The mother pays. She uses her vacation time, which, in most companies can vary from two weeks to four weeks, or more. Then (I'm no expert) she can receive disability payments, which she has paid into for years. If more time is needed, she can take UNPAID leave. No one pays for someone who is not being paid.

EDIT: I still would like your explanation of who pays, though.

Last edited by Fox Terrier; 05-04-2016 at 02:50 PM..
 
Old 05-04-2016, 03:07 PM
 
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Who pays for the leave? Someone must have to cover the cost when the person takes the leave, no? Who are the someone?
The woman and her employer pay for the maternity leave..... They are not paid for by the tax payer. Maybe you are Canadian and thinking in the US we have a similar system. We do not. We pay for our leaves ourselves, which is why the OP woman author is an idiot.

I'm thinking you don't know much about employee benefits.

The woman uses her PTO/Vacation/Sick time. The employer usually offers short or long term disability which they either pay for or they both pay for. The PTO/Vacation/Sick time pay 100% of the woman's wages and usually is maxed out at 2-4 weeks. After utilizing PTO/Vacation/Sick time, the woman goes on FMLA leave and if her employer provides short or long term disability, she will get 0-80% of her wages for any additional leave time over 2-4 weeks.

Please note, most employers do not provide paid FMLA leave and usually after that 2-4 weeks where she uses up her vacation/sick/PTO time, the woman is unpaid and is not getting paid anything for the remainder of her leave.
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