What would happen if Trump deports all the illegals when he's elected? (enemy, Mexican)
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I knew they were illegal when I invited them to dinner. I don't hold anything against the people once they are here really, except they ARE breaking the law, whatever their reason may be doesn't excuse that. But I'd be a hypocrite if I said I couldn't be friends with anyone who broke the law.
But this brings brings up another straw man fallacy of the left.....that somehow those who are against illegal immigration are advocating "rounding them all up" (Hillary's boxcar BS ring a bell?)
Attack the problem from every necessary angle and there will be no need to "round them all up" or "deport them all at once".
Quote:
Scott Pelley: Eleven, 12 million illegal immigrants--
Donald Trump: Or whatever the number is.
Scott Pelley: Still in the country, what do you do?
Donald Trump: If they've done well they're going out and they're coming back in legally. Because you said it----
Scott Pelley: You're rounding them all up?
Donald Trump: We're rounding 'em up in a very humane way, in a very nice way. And they're going to be happy because they want to be legalized. And, by the way, I know it doesn't sound nice. But not everything is nice.
There is no reason that labor has to be part of that trade.
Then we are not using the same definition of free market.
In order to have a truly free market, finished goods and the things required to produce those finished goods - capital, raw material, and labor - must be free to follow the financial rewards. Otherwise, prices can't reach their "natural" level. And the labor part of the relationship devolves to wage slavery.
What we have now is a public discussion where people, including many politicians and business owners, give lip service to the free market when it suits them, and ignore the inconvenient parts of the philosophy. This is normal human behavior, but because we have so many people who think the mythical free market is the best yardstick against which to measure economic policy, it leads to some very dubious policy decisions, which don't work because they can't work.
Let's not get dramatic. There would be a roar of approval from right-wing lower-income Americans, but a resounding "meh" from most Democrats, and a big "ugh" from higher income right-wingers.
Over 2/3 majority of Americans feel illegal immigration is bad for the nation.
Almost 3/4 of the entire population, feel it is too late and unreasonable to round them up and deport them all.
Almost 2/3rd majority feel birthright citizenship is wrong. With over 3/4 saying we cannot deport the children born here.
It has been a battle of sovereignty and compassion for 35 years now, with a blind eye turned to those here and those employing them.
In 1986, it was said over and over, it would not work, without illegal alien employer sanctions, to deter hiring.
Man I had no idea that the D-day invasion of Normandy and the Battle of Lexington could be linked to people hiring illegals to do home construction, but you did it, man!
As this thread has been about, it's not just home construction and it's not just illegals.
It's about imported labor undercutting what Americans worked for in all sectors of the economy.
It's about the Progessive left wanting to bring America down to the rest of the world's level out of some twisted sense of Marxist ideology that tells them we have gotten too big for our britches and it's not "fair" to the rest of the world.
Then we are not using the same definition of free market.
In order to have a truly free market, finished goods and the things required to produce those finished goods - capital, raw material, and labor - must be free to follow the financial rewards. Otherwise, prices can't reach their "natural" level. And the labor part of the relationship devolves to wage slavery.
What we have now is a public discussion where people, including many politicians and business owners, give lip service to the free market when it suits them, and ignore the inconvenient parts of the philosophy. This is normal human behavior, but because we have so many people who think the mythical free market is the best yardstick against which to measure economic policy, it leads to some very dubious policy decisions, which don't work because they can't work.
There is nothing "free market" about intentionally importing cheap labor for the specific purpose of keeping wages artificially low.
I would have thought that you would report them (if that's actually possible). With that said, your inaction, which I don't fault you for, illustrates that at the end of the day we're talking about people. I don't think anybody, including Trump, is going to really deport all the illegals.
Neither party is going to want to be associated with the largest roundup of people this country has ever seen. We've put up with it for so long (for better or worse) and such action would appear draconian. Especially if the only crime they committed was crossing the border illegally.
[and what's Trump's plan for the employers?]
How many of them's only crime was to cross the border illegally though? We don't need to round them all up just continue to enforce the laws on the books rather than giving them stays of deportation. We also need to remove all of the incentives for them to remain here. People break laws and they should be held accountable for it no matter who they are.
And by the way, reporting them does no good since Obama has a hands off approach to them unless the are "convicted" criminals.
I don't hire them, so working with them is a necessary evil. Simply not my call.
Well you should. They made the choice to violate our immigration laws, didn't they? No one forced them over the border and they knew that what they were doing was wrong. No one forces them to work illegally in this country either.
They would still be a burden because they still avow themselves of basic social services. The only difference is that have a little card that says they can be here because some bureaucrat stamped their seal of approval on a care. Big whoop.
There is a big difference between controlled legal immigration and uncontrolled illegal immigration and the financial costs involved. One is planned for and one is not.
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