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I don't hire them, so working with them is a necessary evil. Simply not my call.
I would have thought that you would report them (if that's actually possible). With that said, your inaction, which I don't fault you for, illustrates that at the end of the day we're talking about people. I don't think anybody, including Trump, is going to really deport all the illegals.
Neither party is going to want to be associated with the largest roundup of people this country has ever seen. We've put up with it for so long (for better or worse) and such action would appear draconian. Especially if the only crime they committed was crossing the border illegally.
Heaven forbid Americans actually pick strawberries. How humilliating! Long ago, millions of young Americans of European descent used to leave the city to live out on farms and do farm work during the summer months, then return in the fall.
American developed technology? You act as if private technology developed at Microsoft or Apple is somehow owned and created by an American collective hivemind. I *wish* I had something to do with Microsoft and Apple's success but even though i've been an American for decades, I've contributed nearly nothing to technology in the US. (Oh boy that's depressing! Well I did develop some pretty entertaining fan mods for PC games about 16 years ago)
"US technology and text books" are actually all created by private Americans who sell their books and technology to Americans and foreigners worldwide. For profit. It's only fair that if an Indian buys a textbook and learns from it, that he should be able to then sell his newfound skills in the US marketplace as well. For profit.
Actually on a lot of it I was there. Talked to the folk at Intel about how to build a microprocessor long before they built one. Had better in house products than Intel or Motorola until after the initial round of microprocessors. And yes there was American technology and it could well have been protected. Would likely have been had Jobs not jumped the other way.
it is relatively simple to write legislation banning the export of technology. We do it all the time on stuff of supposed military interest. I could write an expansion to cover most of interest in a week or two.
I would think though even better would simply be to establish liability to anyone who ships software off the continent. If it gets compromised the one who ships it is responsible. Simple and probably ends the process. And if you combine it with proper regulation of imported techies it works out well for the US work force.
So are you suggesting that because you helped Intel build a microprocessor that Intel owes me, shihku7, priority placement for a job in the hypothetical situation that I had the same skillset as you?
That's really.... uh.... weird.
I mean you've been totally free to CREATE your own Intel-like company and freely choose not to hire foreigners, and only people like me, shihku7. But it doesn't sound like you ran or owned Intel so I don't know how you can say you should be able to stop Intel, or Microsoft or Apple from hiring foreigners.
People on the other side of the earth, would hear this loud roaring sound and wonder... What is that.
It would be the roar of Americans, winning a battle that has been waged for 35 years of open borders and no accountability.
Let's not get dramatic. There would be a roar of approval from right-wing lower-income Americans, but a resounding "meh" from most Democrats, and a big "ugh" from higher income right-wingers.
I would have thought that you would report them (if that's actually possible). With that said, your inaction, which I don't fault you for, illustrates that at the end of the day we're talking about people. I don't think anybody, including Trump, is going to really deport all the illegals.
Neither party is going to want to be associated with the largest roundup of people this country has ever seen. We've put up with it for so long (for better or worse) and such action would appear draconian. Especially if the only crime they committed was crossing the border illegally.
[and what's Trump's plan for the employers?]
I knew they were illegal when I invited them to dinner. I don't hold anything against the people once they are here really, except they ARE breaking the law, whatever their reason may be doesn't excuse that. But I'd be a hypocrite if I said I couldn't be friends with anyone who broke the law.
But this brings brings up another straw man fallacy of the left.....that somehow those who are against illegal immigration are advocating "rounding them all up" (Hillary's boxcar BS ring a bell?)
Attack the problem from every necessary angle and there will be no need to "round them all up" or "deport them all at once".
Some of this is coming through to stiff and one sided. In the early days of microprocessors some of the litho equipment that made the best stuff was not US. And those people deserved the same rights as the US originators. So there is lots of negotiations.
But the uninvolved should not jump in at the end. And use high talent with low wages to succeed. Wrong approach.
And the American sense of fair play's response would be:
"American freedom was fought for and won by Americans, for Americans.......you want freedom too? Great! .....get your own freedom and quit suckling on America's teet".
Man I had no idea that the D-day invasion of Normandy and the Battle of Lexington could be linked to people hiring illegals to do home construction, but you did it, man!
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Long ago, millions of young Americans of European descent used to leave the city to live out on farms and do farm work during the summer months, then return in the fall.
