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The poster I was replying to said that if we got rid of the illegals already here the jobs would be outsourced. If that were the case it would be unlikely that more illegals would be shipped in. Legal immigrants perhaps but at least they wouldn't be a financial burden like illegal aliens are.
They would still be a burden because they still avow themselves of basic social services. The only difference is that have a little card that says they can be here because some bureaucrat stamped their seal of approval on a care. Big whoop.
An interesting view. I would think the more interesting question is why the US would allow American developed technology to be used in the world outside the US.
but in this case the issue is should the US allow the importation of labor from a foreign labor pool to lower US salaries. No doubt about it. India turns out some fine engineers. They use US technology and text books and courses to educate a selected set of their population. But should these people enter under conditions of involuntary servitude to compete with US workers?
At the least the rule should be that any imported worker, once in the US, is free to move to a new employer or job. I susepct that would virtually instantly halt the importation of Indian techies. They are valuable only as long as indentured.
And further I would establish a rule than anyone who writes or maintains software off shore takes responsiblity for any loss due to invasion of that software
American developed technology? You act as if private technology developed at Microsoft or Apple is somehow owned and created by an American collective hivemind. I *wish* I had something to do with Microsoft and Apple's success but even though i've been an American for decades, I've contributed nearly nothing to technology in the US. (Oh boy that's depressing! Well I did develop some pretty entertaining fan mods for PC games about 16 years ago)
"US technology and text books" are actually all created by private Americans who sell their books and technology to Americans and foreigners worldwide. For profit. It's only fair that if an Indian buys a textbook and learns from it, that he should be able to then sell his newfound skills in the US marketplace as well. For profit.
But that's not true. The employers care about red AND green and this is demonstrated by their voting and reading behavior, AND their behavior as an employer.
These Republican employers are enriching themselves by hiring illegals, and then they use that money to buy right-wing books, watch right-wing news channels, go to right-wing churches, and presumably lobby right-wing political campaigns. Their friends are right-wing too.
I'd also point out that most low income Americans who are hurt by illegal immigrants are Democrats. So we're in a weird situation where lower-income Republicans are fighting on behalf of low-income Democrats, while high-income Republicans are fighting on behalf of low-income illegal immigrants.
Do you have a point beyond wanting to bash Republicans?
We don't have a free market in this country, and most people wouldn't like it if we did.
My point exactly. But, we don't like much of anything anymore.
I blame the politicians for corrupting our nation, people, national sovereignty and our very way of live. And some of the corporations for seeking the maximum profit for the service of looting America. Together, they have warped and distorted the free market in this country to a point in which the whole mess is no longer sustainable.
Free markets within American borders don't need foreign labor, legal or illegal driving down the wages. That may fit in with the Libertarian world view, but it certainly doesn't fit in with the American sense of fair play.
I agree. But there is no such thing as a free market within a nation's borders when that nation trades all over the world. There can't be.
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Originally Posted by FatBob96
This, along with the Libertarian's weak foreign policy is why they will never be taken seriously by the American public and will wallow in "also ran" obscurity until they leave these parts of their platform behind.
Libertarians are all over the place on this, even Milton Friedman, because this is where the idealistic philosophy runs smack into actual reality.
We don't have a free market in this country, and most people wouldn't like it if we did.
Do you have a point beyond wanting to bash Republicans?
Well I suppose it is that Dark Lord Trump is willing to sacrifice various scapegoats for his Blood Sacrifice ritual, but he's very obviously choosing some foreign scapegoats and not the domestic scapegoats. The dude is Machiavelli in the flesh.
I assume the Libertarian response will be: Freedom doesn't fit in with the American sense of fair play? Eh?
And the American sense of fair play's response would be:
"American freedom was fought for and won by Americans, for Americans.......you want freedom too? Great! .....get your own freedom and quit suckling on America's teet".
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