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Old 05-24-2016, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Let's see here, should I go with a YouTube video or the coroner:

Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' impact - Baltimore Sun
Both. After the initial blow to the back of the neck with the officer's knee, Freddie was too weak, or fully paralyzed and could not brace himself from impact during the wild van ride.
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Old 05-24-2016, 04:32 PM
 
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On the bold black, running is not against the law. One should not get arrested or killed just because they are running away.
You're right, running is not against the law. Millions of people do it every day with no problem. otoh, there's a thing called context.

When cops are instructed by their command and civilian leaders to engage in proactive policing in known high crime, high drug areas, a familiar drug dealer who flees when he sees cops will be pursued. He wasn't shot running.
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Old 05-24-2016, 04:57 PM
 
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No surprise there. I doubt any of them are going to be convicted.
Waiting for the hood rats to wreck their neighbourhood again.
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Old 05-24-2016, 05:00 PM
 
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No surprise.

Also, this guy (or at least his lawyers) were incredibly smart for asking for a bench trial. There would have been no way to receive a fair jury trial.
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Old 05-24-2016, 05:09 PM
 
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Waiting for the hood rats to wreck their neighbourhood again.
I can't see the difference from when they start to when they stop!
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Old 05-24-2016, 05:33 PM
 
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You're right, running is not against the law. Millions of people do it every day with no problem. otoh, there's a thing called context.

When cops are instructed by their command and civilian leaders to engage in proactive policing in known high crime, high drug areas, a familiar drug dealer who flees when he sees cops will be pursued. He wasn't shot running.
My nephew when he was 16 was running down the street and the police pulled a gun on him (this incident is the one that made me get involved and engaged with our local law enforcement).

Cops should not be arresting or pulling guns on people because they are running. Lots of people run/jog for exercise. Black men do too and shouldn't have to be fearful of being arrested, tackled, or shot by police for doing so.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:45 PM
 
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Cops should not be arresting or pulling guns on people because they are running.
I would agree but certainly you would agree if someone in a known area for dealing drugs that has a long history of arrests for selling drugs takes off running when they see you then there is certainly a reason to stop them. I'm sure you would also agree that if they refuse to stop then the police have the right to forcefully stop them.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:50 PM
 
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Both. After the initial blow to the back of the neck with the officer's knee, Freddie was too weak, or fully paralyzed and could not brace himself from impact during the wild van ride.
Based upon what evidence?

Are you a coroner?
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Old 05-25-2016, 02:11 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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FG had a rap sheet (as long as your arm) for selling and manufacturing drugs. Some arrests were for selling pot and the drugs he manufactured, and arrested for, were unnamed on his sheet and simply stated as 'manufactured drugs'-but you know it wasn't pot he was manufacturing. (he should have still been in prison and he shouldn't have even been on the street - the revolving door in action)

FG was on parole (not allowed to carry weapons or to be in contact with others who are on parole or who are involved with drugs).

FG had an upcoming court date for another drug related bust.

FG was speaking to a known drug dealer when the cops saw him, at which point he ran as soon as he saw the cop looking his way (he was also on parole at that time-not allowed to be around a drug dealer)

FG was found to be carrying a 'spring assist' knife, which is illegal under the Baltimore Code, though is legal under MD law - he was in Baltimore when found with the knife so the BC overrules MD law (he was also on parole at that time-not allowed to carry the weapon, and probably not even allowed if he'd been busted outside of the Baltimore city limits)

FG was known, by cops and by locals, to be a major drama queen while being arrested. The cops had made mention of that, at some point, and some of the locals mentioned it on news blurbs after his arrest.

FG ducked down, to avoid hitting his head on the top of the van, and walked into the van under his own power after the cops had lifted him up onto the back step of the van-which he did effortlessly and showed no signs of pain while doing it.

FG was kicking and rocking the van so the cop stopped and they put him in shackles then laid him on his belly inside the van.

FG allegedly had been kicking and spitting at the cops each time they had to deal with him inside the van, which is probably why they didn't belt him in.

Street cameras caught the van in motion 'at least' one time, and the van was driving at normal speeds with no quick starts, no quick stops and no jerks to the side.

The second prisoner in the van, when giving his statement to the cops, said that he believed FG was 'intentionally trying to hurt himself' - which he later recanted after he was released by the cops. He also said the ride was smooth - which he never recanted.

FG was known for selling and manufacturing but as far as I've been able to find he'd never been known to use (never been busted for using and never had a positive drug screen while on parole)-if the tox screen came back positive then no doubt he had made a purchase right before the chase and ate it while running.
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Old 05-25-2016, 04:39 AM
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My nephew when he was 16 was running down the street and the police pulled a gun on him (this incident is the one that made me get involved and engaged with our local law enforcement).

Cops should not be arresting or pulling guns on people because they are running. Lots of people run/jog for exercise. Black men do too and shouldn't have to be fearful of being arrested, tackled, or shot by police for doing so.

As far as your nephew - did they tell him to stop? Maybe an incident had occurred and your nephew matched the description. I live in a suburb - but more than one "white" person has been stopped, beaten and had guns drawn on them because they didn't do what the cops asked them to do. There was a police brutality case here 25 years ago when the cops stepped over the line - but since then these situations have occurred because the suspect doesn't do what the police have asked them to do.
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