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So having sex with an unconscious woman is not considered rape in your mind
Sexual intercourse, yes. But Turner was only seen humping the woman with his clothes on. So he was convicted of sexual assault, but not rape, and that seems appropriate.
Rape, forcible rape, gang rape, rape/kidnapping, rape/beating, rape/torture
People like you scare the ***** out of me. Any way to explain away a rape and you are ALL IN. Do you have daughters? I am serious. Do you have ANY empathy for the victim in this case?
People like you scare the ***** out of me. Any way to explain away a rape and you are ALL IN. Do you have daughters? I am serious. Do you have ANY empathy for the victim in this case?
And... a temper tantrum. Nice. You've abandoned all pretense of logical discussion and are running on pure emotion. I can only guess at what has set you off, or if you have followed the argument at all.
There is as much of a backlash for the woman's "involvement" as the man's.
That's because she CHOSE to become so drunk that she doesn't even remember what happened.
There is no evidence that she didn't consent to the sex play.
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...but of course we all know men can be f**ked up in many ways
R-r-r-right.
But women can never be f**ked up.
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I almost feel ashamed to be a man when I think what dogs some men truly can be.
Spoken like a true male feminist who is sexist against men.
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There are numerous posters who don't even think this was rape
That's because it wasn't rape.
Rape is forced sexual intercourse.
There was no sexual intercourse in this case.
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On to this particular case, this guy had a history of coming on to women
Wow, well that proves it!
Must be a rapist!
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Some sex crimes are more serious, by orders of magnitude, than what happened in the Stanford case. By their unwillingness to acknowledge that, people here trivialize the whole concept of rape. A generation ago rape meant forcing intercourse on a woman by violence, and it was universally recognized in civilized societies as a heinous crime, second only to murder. Now, rape is a woman passing out drunk during sex play and feeling bad about it when she wakes up.
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Delete your account.
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... nicely sums up the feminist approach to debate.
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I love this term feminist. You throw that out there like if someone defends a female he or she is a feminist.
No, when people hate on men for no good reason, they are feminists.
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Brock is a rapist.
There was no sexual intercourse, and therefore no rape.
Only a man-hating feminist would define what Brock did as "rape."
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As I have said, I agree that Turner committed a crime and think he received an appropriate sentence. I disagree with those who want a much harsher sentence. Long jail terms are only appropriate for more serious sex crimes.
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So having sex with an unconscious woman is not considered rape in your mind
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Not if she was into it and then passed out because she drank too much.
Exactly.
And again, all that happened here was sex play, not sexual intercourse.
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Originally Posted by The Dark Enlightenment
Turner was only seen humping the woman with his clothes on. So he was convicted of sexual assault, but not rape, and that seems appropriate.
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People like you scare the ***** out of me. Any way to explain away a rape and you are ALL IN. Do you have daughters? I am serious. Do you have ANY empathy for the victim in this case?
A woman passing out during sex, then regretting it later is not a serious sex crime.
Where is the respect for the woman, in this case. What if the woman had died, would the jerk still have "humped" her body? How would a man feel, in similar circumstances? Messing around with an unconscious person is sick. Where is it written that it is ok to abuse vulnerable people, an opportunity is not always a good idea.
Go out to the forest and "hump," a tree................leave innocent people alone.
Really glad that most men are great and have respect and caring for women.
Anyone got any statistics comparing how many women get raped because of f**ked up men versus men that get raped because of f**ked up women? Just saying...
I love this term feminist. You throw that out there like if someone defends a female he or she is a feminist. Hogwash. You will find ANY reason to justify what poor little Brock did. Brock is a rapist. The courts sent him to jail. Directly to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect your pervert card. I guess I am a feminist since I consider rape a bad thing.
Why NOT be a feminist?
Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, personal, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment.
Where is the respect for the woman, in this case. What if the woman had died, would the jerk still have "humped" her body? How would a man feel, in similar circumstances? Messing around with an unconscious person is sick. Where is it written that it is ok to abuse vulnerable people, an opportunity is not always a good idea.
Go out to the forest and "hump," a tree................leave innocent people alone.
Really glad that most men are great and have respect and caring for women.
It's like anything else in life. Average people are average. The media teaches the masses that women are strong and independent.....until they make bad decisions and then they are victims.
Most men, like most women, buy that nonsense. Some of us don't though and possibly more than you think. Do you think I run around saying these things IRL? Nope. I work with mostly women and I would lose my job. In fact, everyone always tells me how nice of a guy I am.
You'd be surprised at how many men feel this way, but hide it due to fear of retribution.
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