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No. You aren't entitled to money for sitting at home...unless your employer thinks you are.
By that logic the employer should be able to pay you whatever he or she wants.
No minimum wage laws, no overtime, no unemployment benefits (because you're being paid to sit at home),
no worker safety laws, no regulation of nothing. We can become just like China! The Republican paradise.
Easy to make a point if you lie about the facts. You consider things like military protection, unemployment insurance, and social security to be "nothing" I guess? It seems pretty disingenuous even if you don't support those things, you are paying for and getting them.
Let the individual save or use private companies for unemployment insurance, and social security.
Military protection?
How is protecting other nations borders better than we protect ours and staying involved in the Middle East, protecting Americans?
Sending foreign aid money as well as bailing out foreign banks and companies helps Americans how?
By that logic the employer should be able to pay you whatever he or she wants.
No minimum wage laws, no overtime, no unemployment benefits (because you're being paid to sit at home), no worker safety laws, no regulation of nothing. We can become just like China!
Bolded for when you went from logic to histrionics.
By that logic the employer should be able to pay you whatever he or she wants.
No minimum wage laws, no overtime, no unemployment benefits (because you're being paid to sit at home) no worker safety laws, no regulation of nothing. We can become just like China.
That's the goal and dream of the donor class and the working class stiffs that support them. Its amazing really, how they can yearn so strongly for a Chinese or Mexican system of government. Some type of third world sweat shop banana republic ran by the billionaire class is the ultimate dream for them. FDR said that government by organized money is no different than government by organized mob and he couldnt be more right.
Bolded for when you went from logic to histrionics.
So you are opposed to minimum wage, overtime pay and unemployment benefits?
Sure let's just hire Mexicans to do all the work for 50 cents an hour and make them work seven days a week with no OT and no unemployment benefits after they collapse from exhaustion.
By that logic the employer should be able to pay you whatever he or she wants.
No minimum wage laws, no overtime, no unemployment benefits (because you're being paid to sit at home),
no worker safety laws, no regulation of nothing. We can become just like China! The Republican paradise.
Well I'm not a republican so I have no idea what a republican paradise would look like. However, I do believe that employers and prospective employees should have the right to negotiate terms without govt meddling or govt violence.
You fail to see the progress of humans towards a better society. We are leaving the jungle behind and we strive to care for each other. There are employers that get satisfaction in providing GOOD benefits to the workers even if those benefits reduce the bottom line.
All pay and benefits reduce the bottom line. The employer and employee should decide the terms.
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Mmmm, yes, that's why people who have vacation time get a paycheck even while on vacation. Because it's paid, not unpaid. If you don't get paid vacation, that's your problem.
Lol. Ok.
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So, do employers count unpaid days off and paid days off equally when calculating total compensation?
Are they considered equal expenses?
Your stance indicates the answer is yes to both questions.
For most jobs and employers, they look at total compensation for hours of production time.
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Now, the difference in that scenario is whether or not vacation is a compensable entitlement in your state/county (or even defined as one by the employer).
If it is, then the latter is clearly a much much higher compensated scenario even if you think the numbers make it look different.
(What that means is, the first employee, if they take no vacation at all, earns $52k per year. The last employee in the same scenario earns an additional $6k per year to match the first employee, except that the $6k automatically becomes cleared deferred income with no tax penalties, resulting in the same take home pay but with a lower tax burden and banked deferred income. They take taxes when you do get the pay off down the road (and generally at the salary you earn then, not the salary you earn now), but it is deferred.
Most employers are only looking at total compensation against production.
The math has to turn out so that what an employee is paid is lower than what they need to make off that labor. If you can't understand what paid vacation does to that formula, you'll never understand the ramifications of forcing employers to give more paid vacation. Hint - your paychecks will be smaller.
All pay and benefits reduce the bottom line. The employer and employee should decide the terms.
Lol. Ok.
For most jobs and employers, they look at total compensation for hours of production time.
Most employers are only looking at total compensation against production.
The math has to turn out so that what an employee is paid is lower than what they need to make off that labor. If you can't understand what paid vacation does to that formula, you'll never understand the ramifications of forcing employers to give more paid vacation. Hint - your paychecks will be smaller.
Its not that simple. They pay as low as they can get away with, and when workers dont have leverage, they get away with an awful lot. First of all, two weeks is not much, second of all, a higher minimum wage dramatically improves workers' bargaining power, not only for minimum wage earners (who often dont have paid vacation time), but for more than 10 times as many people as those on minimum wage. 2 weeks paid vacation minimum is a floor which will benefit people who also benefit from a higher minimum wage floor. Lots of more consumer purchasing power among the consumers who are most likely to spend money is a big shot in the arm for the economy.
Here are some quotes from the forum right wingers regarding freedom. What a joke!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Floorist
I was self-employed for 40 years. I worked 60-80 hours a week. What would I get?
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Originally Posted by le roi
I voted 'no.'
I think vacation should be a lower priority.
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Originally Posted by eye state your name
Many people who are offered vacation do not use it because they cannot afford to take time off to travel, etc., and prefer working.
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Originally Posted by eye state your name
You should be paid the least possible amount and get the minimum with regard to benefits. We have to stop feeding the beast.
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez
If you want more vacation time, just negotiate more vacation for less pay.
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez
People are free to start their own company if they so choose.
If you do, be prepared to work a lot more than 40 hours per week and know that you don't get paid vacation.
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Originally Posted by eye state your name
I am saying that mandatory overtime imposed by the government is bad.
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Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust
My husband told me that at his last job, someone got fired just for asking for an extra two days off (they only received 1 week vacation per year). Why? Because wanting two days off meant he "wasn't 110% committed to the job".
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Originally Posted by eye state your name
Yes, I am a great corporate drone.
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Originally Posted by eye state your name
60 hour work weeks never went away. At least to those of us who take pride in our efforts
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Originally Posted by ringwise
Prove it. Personally, I have plenty of vacation and money to travel, but CHOOSE to stay in the US for a number of reasons. One, this country is so vast and interesting, it would take a very long time to exhaust all it has to offer. Secondly, I don't want to travel to a disgusting location, such as Europe, for my vacation. Yea, those same socialist practices make it a place I don't care to visit.
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Originally Posted by t206
Most Americans have access to explore over 3M square miles of this earth without the need for a passport. Just because you don't travel out of the country doesn't mean you aren't traveling and enjoying yourself.
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez
You can be paid $52k and get no vacation or get $50k and two weeks "paid" vacation.
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez
Demanding more vacation time is essentially demanding having no job for a couple of weeks. Not many low wage workers are demanding no job or paycheck for a couple of weeks, and vacation is just that.
I did not make this up folks.
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