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View Poll Results: Do you support two weeks of mandatory vacation for all full-time workers in the US?
Yes 112 52.83%
No 100 47.17%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-22-2016, 07:36 PM
 
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Trapper John feels NO VACATION is freedom.

Here are some quotes from the forum right wingers regarding freedom. What a joke!!!!!!!!

Are you kidding me? What exactly is your issue with my quote. I was replying to the original comment that basically implied US citizens weren't taking time off to travel because they didn't have passports. I simply pointed out that you don't need a passport to take time off and visit vast parts of our very geographically diverse country.

How in the world is that a "right winger joke" I'd love to hear this explanation.

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Old 06-22-2016, 07:39 PM
 
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Are you kidding me? What exactly is your issue with my quote. I was replying to the original comment that basically implied US citizens weren't taking time off to travel because they didn't have passports. I simply pointed out that you don't need a passport to take time off and visit vast parts of our very geographically diverse country.

How in the world is that a "right winger joke" I'd love to hear this explanation.

A truly free person travels all over the world and does not have to worry about losing pay because he or she is traveling. A truly free person does not have to be proud of working his arse off 60-80 hours a week to put food on the table.
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Old 06-22-2016, 07:41 PM
 
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A truly free person travels all over the world and does not have to worry about losing pay because he or she is traveling. A truly free person does not have to be proud of working his arse off 60-80 hours a week to put food on the table.
You make zero sense. My statement is not at all a partisan or right wing issue. I've never seen such a ridiculous acrobatic reach to make such a ridiculous point.

I've traveled out of the country and I personally don't have any desire to do so right now, yo uthink that makes me "not free" somehow? Its a personal decision and when I take time off work I do things I enjoy and have no regrets about not leaving the country for now.
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Old 06-22-2016, 07:45 PM
 
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Trapper John feels NO VACATION is freedom.

Here are some quotes from the forum right wingers regarding freedom. What a joke!!!!!!!!
...I'm not sure how I got lumped in there with the right wingers, because I'm the furthest thing from one. I was paraphrasing what happened with my husband's coworker as an example of why the current system is just not working.
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Old 06-22-2016, 07:47 PM
 
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...I'm not sure how I got lumped in there with the right wingers, because I'm the furthest thing from one. I was paraphrasing what happened with my husband's coworker as an example of why the current system is just not working.
He/She has ZERO idea what they are talking about. Just trying to generalize and lump everything into a talking point.
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Old 06-22-2016, 07:56 PM
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Higher minimum wage + mandatory vacation time = employers becoming very creative with policy and payroll.

Where does this stuff come from? Who dreams up this nonsense?
Hard work and determination, drive, ambition, the former United States way of earning a living. Screw it. Hand outs for all. The collapse is eminent.

America R.I.P.
You had a good run.
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Old 06-22-2016, 07:58 PM
 
Location: London
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He/She has ZERO idea what they are talking about. Just trying to generalize and lump everything into a talking point.
Yeah, and honestly, equating a lack of weeks of paid vacation to slavery is a huge slap in the face to the actual slaves existing today.

I'd love to hear him tell a human trafficking victim chained to a basement or a child slave in Mauritania to their faces that Americans are practically slaves because they can't always go on vacation for weeks at a time.

I still maintain that American employers should offer vacation if possible, but comparing it to slavery does nothing but make it difficult to be taken seriously.
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:05 PM
 
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...I'm not sure how I got lumped in there with the right wingers, because I'm the furthest thing from one. I was paraphrasing what happened with my husband's coworker as an example of why the current system is just not working.
You were just stating how little freedom your husband has.
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:26 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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For most jobs and employers, they look at total compensation for hours of production time.


Most employers are only looking at total compensation against production.

The math has to turn out so that what an employee is paid is lower than what they need to make off that labor. If you can't understand what paid vacation does to that formula, you'll never understand the ramifications of forcing employers to give more paid vacation. Hint - your paychecks will be smaller.
You stated two completely different things here. Hours of production time are very different from production.

Research has prove time and again that production is higher with mandatory vacations compared to no vacations. Which of those standards you use makes a huge difference.
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Old 06-22-2016, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Trapper John feels NO VACATION is freedom.

Here are some quotes from the forum right wingers regarding freedom. What a joke!!!!!!!!


I did not make this up folks.
You did make that up. Vacation is actually freedom to do lots of fun stuff. Forcing companies to pay for it is anything but freedom.

You sound like a typical elitist. I bet you are affluent. My guess your entire life was funded by the taxpayer. You see no problem imposing your will on business owners because most people like you never worry about profit margins.
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