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I can concur with that, to a point. I've been on dating websites, and I've noticed that White men are given more preference by many Asian women than Asian men.
On the other hand, I don't hear many parents tell their children "don't bring home an Asian man". The "don't bring him home" comments are reserved mainly for Black men. Asian men aren't looked down on as much compared to other minority men.
Honestly, I don't think this is true. Asian men and black American men both have negative/positive stereotypes.
Like the previous poster mentioned too often in this country Asian American men are de-masculated in a sense, they are referred to as having smaller members and of being feminized or geeky and shy (FWIW, I did date an Asian American once and he was none of those things so I know they are not based in reality, IMO most stereotypes are not based on truths unlike people seem to think they are).
On the flip side, Asian American men are portrayed in film and media as evil dudes (communist leaders out to kill everyone, kung fu proficient killers, or some evil magician sort of guy) and thieves out to bootleg and steal everyone's secrets and ideas and take all our jobs away (i.e. Chinese) and these are pervasive negartives associated with them both this paragraph and the latter.
Black men, as we all know, are portrayed as criminals and uneducated, however, black men are fetishized for being "larger" and women buy into these characterizations and lust after black men for it. Black men are also thought to be "cool" and the embodiment of what is in style. They are seen as physically strong and athletic.
So both Asian American and black American men have negative stereotypes and positive stereotypes.
And FWIW marriage trends are reversing for Asian American women, more of them are now marrying Asian American men, personally I believe it has to do with the nasty fetishes that many white American men place on Asian American women. You'd be shocked at some of the stuff my Asian American female friends and co-workers have told me has happened to them or been commented to them about. Some don't even really actively participate in social media because they are frequently messaged out of the blue with propositions of sex or d**k pics by random, nasty men.
I am a 2nd generation Asian American, California-born.
I actually went to work in Asia - Taiwan, Hong Kong and Shanghai, on and off again, for around 10 years. Enjoyed it, saw a lot of progress there. But it really wasn't for me in the long run. it wasn't home for me. So I'm back in California, which is my home, and I'm dedicated to contributing to it and making it better.
Things sometimes look better on the other side. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. Depends on your personal situation.
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Asian Americans who were born/raised in America are Americans first and foremost.
I am black and people call us African Americans but I don't want to go live in Africa because I'm not African. FWIW though more black Americans actually are immigrating to African countries as well in the 21st century. I know a couple people who have and quite a few who want to.
I am like silverkris in that America and my state and community are my home. I have long roots in my country and I would rather positively contribute to my own country versus another.
Agreed. I'm of Irish family but; my ethnicity is "American" cause I would NOT be accepted any anything but in the rest of the world, even Ireland. Just like you 2 ^^^ are also the American ethnicity by outsider country rules.
Agreed. I'm of Irish family but; my ethnicity is "American" cause I would NOT be accepted any anything but in the rest of the world, even Ireland. Just like you 2 ^^^ are also the American ethnicity by outsider country rules.
This is interesting, I used to think that too until I learned of many cases involving countries that do take Americans based on ethnic background, for example I've known Americans of Italian, Greek, Irish, German and Scandinavian background who move and get almost instant citizenship in those countries (with all its advantages) if they can demonstrate they have ancestors from there. Another obvious case is Israel, Jewish-Americans under at least many circumstances can move and get residency permits. So depending on the situation seems like a lot of countries don't necessarily look at Americans as "ethnically American" but as one of their own.
That's why I was curious in part about whether at least some Asian countries have similar practices, based on the sheer number and increase in emigration of Asian-Americans I've encountered going to China, India, Korea and Vietnam-- and staying there permanently to pursue craeers and raise families, not just short term stays (implying they're getting residency permits and possibly citizenship however that works)-- I suspected it might play some role, ex. China and India giving fast track residency permits to overseas Chinese or Indians. Man of the Fil-Am members of my own extended family have seemingly gone back to the Philippines and stayed there with little hassle (including man born in America), though I've never been clear on the details.
I am a 2nd generation Asian American, California-born.
I actually went to work in Asia - Taiwan, Hong Kong and Shanghai, on and off again, for around 10 years. Enjoyed it, saw a lot of progress there. But it really wasn't for me in the long run. it wasn't home for me. So I'm back in California, which is my home, and I'm dedicated to contributing to it and making it better.
Things sometimes look better on the other side. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. Depends on your personal situation.
Thanks for relating your experience. Am just curious, when you went to work in those cities was there an official system to recruit you and ease the visa process? What I mean is-- if you have an ethnic Chinese background, did Taiwan and China make it easier for you obtain to the work and residence permits to go and work there? I only ask because of the similar visas available in European countries for Americans with heritage in ex. Italy, Scandinavia, Ireland, Germany, France, Netherlands or Greece, where someone can often get fast tracked residency permits (and sometimes even citizenship) if they can demonstrate ancestry in those countries (which more and more Americans are taking advantage of).
Honestly, I don't think this is true. Asian men and black American men both have negative/positive stereotypes.
Like the previous poster mentioned too often in this country Asian American men are de-masculated in a sense, they are referred to as having smaller members and of being feminized or geeky and shy (FWIW, I did date an Asian American once and he was none of those things so I know they are not based in reality, IMO most stereotypes are not based on truths unlike people seem to think they are).
On the flip side, Asian American men are portrayed in film and media as evil dudes (communist leaders out to kill everyone, kung fu proficient killers, or some evil magician sort of guy) and thieves out to bootleg and steal everyone's secrets and ideas and take all our jobs away (i.e. Chinese) and these are pervasive negartives associated with them both this paragraph and the latter.
Black men, as we all know, are portrayed as criminals and uneducated, however, black men are fetishized for being "larger" and women buy into these characterizations and lust after black men for it. Black men are also thought to be "cool" and the embodiment of what is in style. They are seen as physically strong and athletic.
So both Asian American and black American men have negative stereotypes and positive stereotypes.
And FWIW marriage trends are reversing for Asian American women, more of them are now marrying Asian American men, personally I believe it has to do with the nasty fetishes that many white American men place on Asian American women. You'd be shocked at some of the stuff my Asian American female friends and co-workers have told me has happened to them or been commented to them about. Some don't even really actively participate in social media because they are frequently messaged out of the blue with propositions of sex or d**k pics by random, nasty men.
There are ridiculous stereotypes of Asians in movies. I've seen it in movies. Both the emasculated part and the devious villain part. There is also alot of martial arts movies out there, Jackie Chan being one example.
This is what I do notice. The villain stereotypes rarely stick to Asians. Most of the time, the "being smart" stereotype" is more likely to stick. I would rather have that stick to me than that of the "thug" or "hood rat".
Being thought of as "strong and athletic" might be helpful in terms of playing a sport. However, if you are a professional, an educated man, it really doesn't mean much. And I notice this. Being considered violent and thuggish is a stereotype that sticks to Black men alot. Being considered a deadbeat and a hood rat sticks to Black men alot. I am bothered by this because I am a Black man, I'm not any of those things. Those stereotypes are a detriment to me and I would be disadvantaged by it.
Maybe this is because I live in the Atlanta area, but this is what I'm seeing. The rate of interracial marriage among Asians varies by ethnicity and how long said persons have been in the USA. I've noticed that with alot of South Asians, most marry within their ethnicity, with slightly more of the men marrying outside of their ethnicity, regardless of whether said persons were born and raised in the USA or came to the USA from India, Pakistan, or parts of the Caribbean. With alot of East Asians, I notice many of the American-born women of East Asian descent date and marry White males. With the women who are immigrants, there is a much higher likelihood to marry within the group(especially Koreans). With the men, it's a toss up. Alot of Asian-American men are dating outside of their race. It is mainly the American-born doing this. On the other hand, the men are more likely to marry within the group. With this said, I've never heard any woman say "I'm not allowed to date Asian males". It's mainly "I'm not allowed to date Black males" that I've heard. I see more interracial couples involving Black man getting alot of flack compared to interracial couples with Asian men.
In terms of fetishes, it is exactly that, fetishes. There isn't a long term plan for building relationships based on compatibility, marriage, building strong, loving, and committed families. I think in terms of what is helpful in building a family, building a foundation. I think about thriving in the professional world. I don't want to be someone's fetish. I would rather be a husband and a father.
I know there are men who have fetishes for Asian women. However, I never have heard of it going as far as you mention. I am not saying that your statement is invalid. I would imagine that element exist, as I know a few men who have mentioned Asian women in pornographic terms. On the other hand, I've seen very little of it. I've never heard Asian women comment on it either. If anything, I've heard more White women bring this subject up. Maybe it's where I hang around.
This is how I see things. A friend of mine, he was born and raised in the USA. He is pretty much American through and through. However, people are going to notice that he is of Chinese descent first. Same with another friend who happens to be of Vietnamese descent(some people that I know get all of these ethnicities mixed up). American born, American raised of immigrant parents. They are Americans. However, people notice race before they notice being American.
This is interesting, I used to think that too until I learned of many cases involving countries that do take Americans based on ethnic background, for example I've known Americans of Italian, Greek, Irish, German and Scandinavian background who move and get almost instant citizenship in those countries (with all its advantages) if they can demonstrate they have ancestors from there. Another obvious case is Israel, Jewish-Americans under at least many circumstances can move and get residency permits. So depending on the situation seems like a lot of countries don't necessarily look at Americans as "ethnically American" but as one of their own.
That's why I was curious in part about whether at least some Asian countries have similar practices, based on the sheer number and increase in emigration of Asian-Americans I've encountered going to China, India, Korea and Vietnam-- and staying there permanently to pursue craeers and raise families, not just short term stays (implying they're getting residency permits and possibly citizenship however that works)-- I suspected it might play some role, ex. China and India giving fast track residency permits to overseas Chinese or Indians. Man of the Fil-Am members of my own extended family have seemingly gone back to the Philippines and stayed there with little hassle (including man born in America), though I've never been clear on the details.
Jews; word is you're 100 percent right. Other "ethnics"; I think it matters how far down the ancestry chain "old country" citizenship goes for. The US born kids, usually they can piggyback on their parents' heritage; grandkids and later generations, I don't know.
Too; a American kid of full "Chinese" family will probably have a rough time of it IN China if BOTH his parents were US born/raised AND if the kid doesn't speak Chinese.
Thanks for relating your experience. Am just curious, when you went to work in those cities was there an official system to recruit you and ease the visa process? What I mean is-- if you have an ethnic Chinese background, did Taiwan and China make it easier for you obtain to the work and residence permits to go and work there? I only ask because of the similar visas available in European countries for Americans with heritage in ex. Italy, Scandinavia, Ireland, Germany, France, Netherlands or Greece, where someone can often get fast tracked residency permits (and sometimes even citizenship) if they can demonstrate ancestry in those countries (which more and more Americans are taking advantage of).
There are ridiculous stereotypes of Asians in movies. I've seen it in movies. Both the emasculated part and the devious villain part. There is also alot of martial arts movies out there, Jackie Chan being one example.
This is what I do notice. The villain stereotypes rarely stick to Asians. Most of the time, the "being smart" stereotype" is more likely to stick. I would rather have that stick to me than that of the "thug" or "hood rat".
Being thought of as "strong and athletic" might be helpful in terms of playing a sport. However, if you are a professional, an educated man, it really doesn't mean much. And I notice this. Being considered violent and thuggish is a stereotype that sticks to Black men alot. Being considered a deadbeat and a hood rat sticks to Black men alot. I am bothered by this because I am a Black man, I'm not any of those things. Those stereotypes are a detriment to me and I would be disadvantaged by it.
Maybe this is because I live in the Atlanta area, but this is what I'm seeing. The rate of interracial marriage among Asians varies by ethnicity and how long said persons have been in the USA. I've noticed that with alot of South Asians, most marry within their ethnicity, with slightly more of the men marrying outside of their ethnicity, regardless of whether said persons were born and raised in the USA or came to the USA from India, Pakistan, or parts of the Caribbean. With alot of East Asians, I notice many of the American-born women of East Asian descent date and marry White males. With the women who are immigrants, there is a much higher likelihood to marry within the group(especially Koreans). With the men, it's a toss up. Alot of Asian-American men are dating outside of their race. It is mainly the American-born doing this. On the other hand, the men are more likely to marry within the group. With this said, I've never heard any woman say "I'm not allowed to date Asian males". It's mainly "I'm not allowed to date Black males" that I've heard. I see more interracial couples involving Black man getting alot of flack compared to interracial couples with Asian men.
In terms of fetishes, it is exactly that, fetishes. There isn't a long term plan for building relationships based on compatibility, marriage, building strong, loving, and committed families. I think in terms of what is helpful in building a family, building a foundation. I think about thriving in the professional world. I don't want to be someone's fetish. I would rather be a husband and a father.
I know there are men who have fetishes for Asian women. However, I never have heard of it going as far as you mention. I am not saying that your statement is invalid. I would imagine that element exist, as I know a few men who have mentioned Asian women in pornographic terms. On the other hand, I've seen very little of it. I've never heard Asian women comment on it either. If anything, I've heard more White women bring this subject up. Maybe it's where I hang around.
In regards to the bold, it is probably because you are a man. Most men do not understand the level of harrassment that women face and women are more likely to speak of these things with other women.
I've probably had many more Asian American friends than you. I also have Asian American in-laws via marriage of one of my family members and as stated grew up with kids who were refugees from SE Asia.
One of my good male Asian American friends always cracks people up with his story of being bullied until he acted like Ernie Reyes Jr. from a show called "Sidekick" that used to be on TV in the 80s. He was getting chased and kids were trying to beat him up until he started making "karate noises" and then everyone thought he could do karate just because he was Asian and made noises/moves like the kid in "Sidekick" lol. He didn't know any martial arts BTW lol.
Also, sometimes the stereotype of Asians being smart and nerdy is not always good due to many of them needed more academic help/assistance and teachers/administrators not assisting them. People are unaware that some Asian immigrants/refugees actually have worse completion rates in school than black Americans. Quite a few of the older refugee kids i knew never really learned English all that well and they did poorly in school due to that and from being embarrassed/shy due to their lack of English comprehension.
That is interesting, I know there was a lot of talk among the A-B-C's (sorry if I got acronym wrong) who were posted to our Chinese-based collaborators a couple years ago about recruitment efforts for fellow A-B-C's to come and join up including "rapid-visa's" like the blue-card system for skilled workers to come and bring families to Europe. I wonder if it's maybe much more recent than I thoguht.
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so I know they are not based in reality, IMO most stereotypes are not based on truths unlike people seem to think they are).
