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When employers stop discriminating against non-whites then sure
What the hell's a "non white" person? Some Asians have pasty white skin and, some anglo "white" people are pretty brown like as in darker than many Hispanics and even some "Black" people.
What the hell's a "non white" person? Some Asians have pasty white skin and, some anglo "white" people are pretty brown like as in darker than many Hispanics and even some "Black" people.
Come on Packard you very well know I mean non-European race
Come on Packard you very well know I mean non-European race
Going by this thread; many "Asians" are already being discriminated AGAINST here in the US cause they're of Chinese and so on family so, they're def NOT "European white". Their kind DON'T need affirmative action, just a level playing field in school. Too; if talking DNA, many US "Hispanic" people are also part "Asian" through their Indian heritage.
That is interesting, thanks for posting, that makes me wonder if there's some generational gap in terms of support for the policies, that could also be figuring in the migration movements-- older Asian-Americans much more supportive of affirmative action, younger Asian-Americans much more against affirmative action (which would consistent with the emigration to Asia which is overwhelmingly younger Asian-Americans). From the articles on the lawsuits against the Ivy League colleges for affirmative action, there are dozens of Asian-Americans organizations joining as plaintiffs, but looks like they're overwhelmingly younger organizations with younger Asian demographics, while the older and more established Asian-American organizations seem to be more in favor of the colleges' policies and making very pro-affirmative action legal briefs. Same with the big uproar in the Asian-American community that shut down California official's plans to re-introduce overt affirmative action a couple years ago, that was overwhelmingly driven by the younger Asian-Americans based on the news reports. (Like I said affirmative action has made a major comeback in California anyway, though usually with more subtle geography based approaches like in Texas.) Anecdotally I found this to be true too, it's mainly younger Asian-Americans and early career people who object so much to affirmative action, including the Vietnamese and Filipinos I know, and among the Asian-American emigres who went back to Asia, it was only the younger ones I talked to who even mentioned anything about affirmative action. I don't hear much of an issue out of the older generations.
National background is interesting too, in my experience a lot of Vietnamese and Filipino-Americans tend to be more against than for, though again it's mostly from talking to the younger generations, so I guess if there's a generation gap it's probably bigger for these groups. Another complication is, and I'll admit I don't understand this at all, seems like some Filipino-Americans even in my own family can register as Hispano/Latino and be eligible for affirmative action (I guess if they speak Spanish well enough or some factor like that), while others aren't, that also may explain some of the differences. Whereas ex. Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Afghan Asian-Americans seem to be a lot more in favor of affirmative action even among the younger members, this maybe because of recent rise of recruitment programs for Muslim-Americans but who knows, might be other cultural reasons too. Also noticed much lower rate of emigration from these groups, maybe understandable given the ongoing war and instability in places like Afghanistan compared to for ex. China, India or even Vietnam nowadays.
I primarily grew up with Vietnamese Americans and Laosian Americans and they all supported Affirmative Action. I have actually never met an Asian American person who has not supported Affirmative Action, which is why your views on this is odd.
On the red.....as stated many times Asian Americans are considered to be minorities just by being ethnically Asian....They do not need to claim to be Hispanic/Latino to be "eligible" for Affirmative Action. They already are...
I really don't see how you are not understanding this. And FWIW all of the Asian Americans I know are well aware that they qualify for Affirmative Action in the workplace. IMO that is the reason why a majority support it.
Veterans absolutely deserve it (a couple guys in my neighborhood were in the Afghanistan and Iraq meat-grinders), on that I totally agree!
A bit OT but some report on the TV news last night about how US veterans now have record high homeless and suicide rates, in major part because shut out of employment and business opportunities when they get back home, and because many agencies consider them a cost and don't want to provide mental health coverage while health insurance companies prey on the ones with PTSD. That's just so f---ed up, it's like they're considered expendable when they're no longer useful to types who send them into these wars in the first place.
A bit OT but some report on the TV news last night about how US veterans now have record high homeless and suicide rates, in major part because shut out of employment and business opportunities when they get back home, and because many agencies consider them a cost and don't want to provide mental health coverage while health insurance companies prey on the ones with PTSD. That's just so f---ed up, it's like they're considered expendable when they're no longer useful to types who send them into these wars in the first place.
Sorry to harp on you but you do realize that veterans can get mental health services at the VA for free right? My FIL is a Vietnam vet with PTSD and he gets his mental health care via the VA. My dad is also a Vietnam era vet (did not go to war, came into the military when the war was ending) and he gets all of his medical care through the VA.
I agree we do not provide enough support for our veterans but also please note that black Americans are overrepresented in the military and in the veteran population so if you are willing to give Affirmative Action only to veterans, more black people will probably get that assistance versus Asians or other minority groups.
Also FWIW, veteran owned businesses also get a preference for some federal agencies in contracting opportunities.
What the hell's a "non white" person? Some Asians have pasty white skin and, some anglo "white" people are pretty brown like as in darker than many Hispanics and even some "Black" people.
You're at it again. Just stop with trying to muddy the waters (pun intended) on interpreting skin color and race too literally - nobody is buying that nonsense.
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