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Old 11-26-2017, 03:16 PM
 
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The number of 99.9 percent is based on an average between all human populations. Between more divergent groups, the similarity is not as high. More closely related groups will share more genes in common than groups who have diverged from one another long ago. This is basic biology and would be true even if there weren't admixture from archaic species. But there is admixture so the differences are even higher than we would find just from genetic drift and selection alone.
Here is one very well sourced article that debunks just about every claim you have made in this thread.

How Science and Genetics are Reshaping the Race Debate of the 21st Century - Science in the News

 
Old 11-26-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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The only thing someone needs to do to dispel IQ myth is visit Mongolia, once then visit rural China were hundred millions are living on less than a dollar a day then visit a Mathcounts competition were the "IQ of eighty" Indians are competing with the East Asians and obliterating everyone else. Or visit Sierre Leone and Ireland which apparently have the same IQ. Or you can visit the NE Asians of Russia who are supposed to have the highest IQ because all the "dumb" ones died in extreme conditions. You could also visit Qatar and the D.R.C both countries with immense resources and see how people with the same IQ managed each of their countries.
Or you could read about how education and society can vastly raise IQ in just one or two generations - if they WANT TO.

The USA doesn't want to.....
How Japan Builds Brains - tribunedigital-chicagotribune

I'd say your anecdotes are cute, but they don't mean much.

Asians in general have a high IQ (and so do Jews) - which is programmed into the DNA due to their ancient cultures. Learning does not start or stop with each generation.

The ability to be brutal has ended up trumping IQ in a lot of cases. Also, there is little reason for the majority of any population to be high IQ - we only need X people to build rockets, program. etc.

In fact, my guess is that Ben Carson does not have a high IQ (and is a brain surgeon) .....if he does, he certainly has the narrowest focus of any smart individual I've ever listened to.

There is no "IQ Myth". IQ is one semi-standardized test that gives some kind of an idea of a part of human intelligence. There is a lot more to it.....but we don't win any prizes when we pooh-pooh everything and say "oh, well, we are all the same now and nothing we have come up with matters much".....

Indians have math in their DNA and/or pre programmed into their neural pathways. Why would we, the human race, think people are so different than dogs. That is, we have observed tendencies in animals that are passed on and we have the same.
 
Old 11-26-2017, 03:26 PM
 
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Old 11-26-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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Is there data supporting that or is that something you heard someone say?
Actually science does support that contention.
 
Old 11-26-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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I don't know of any international IQ testing, where the same test is used in all countries.
In PISA rankings Finland does clearly better than Sweden and Norway, which kind of shows that it has more to do with cultural differences than with genetics as the Scandinavians are very close genetically.
In a general sense, Asians and Jews score higher than other populations, putting the white population squarely in the middle.

Russia, for example, is far down the list (USA also). So is Greece. Meanwhile, Greece invented modern civilization and Russia and the USA have build tens of thousands of nukes and explored space, etc.

This comes back to that you don't need EVERYONE to be smart, you just need a country that understands that even a small amount of smart people can advance a society or accomplish the impossible quickly.

It stands to reason that most innovation will eventually come out of Asia due to both internal intelligence BUT, more importantly the programs to assure that this flower is watered.

Here we might have thousands of geniuses working menial jobs and shooting up opiates nightly...because the public school in WV was unable to either recognize or so anything with the budding geniuses.

Russians seem to be some of the best liars (KGB, False News, etc.) in the world. It must be that when your IQ fails you, a population gets good at faking. I watch a lot of Russian Made movies and TV shows and they seem to revel in their ability to figure out lies, treason, etc.
 
Old 11-26-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Supachai View Post
The number of 99.9 percent is based on an average between all human populations. Between more divergent groups, the similarity is not as high. More closely related groups will share more genes in common than groups who have diverged from one another long ago. This is basic biology and would be true even if there weren't admixture from archaic species. But there is admixture so the differences are even higher than we would find just from genetic drift and selection alone.
But whites and blacks aren't anywhere near the most divergent groups. Khoisan and Australoid seem to be the most divergent group from the mean, with Australoid apparently being the most divergent from Africans. Even then I doubt you could find a human that shared only 99.8% of his genes with another human.


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Old 11-26-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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It destroys the fairy tale that we are all the same that a large part of left-wing politics is reliant upon. If we aren't the same, it means that biology might explain a variety of social issues that have previously been blamed on environment. And that means that social programs are probably pointless since a social program can't change genetics.
Ahhhhhhh...so lets do away with the safety net! A right wingers wet dream!
 
Old 11-26-2017, 03:34 PM
 
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Or you could read about how education and society can vastly raise IQ in just one or two generations - if they WANT TO.

The USA doesn't want to.....
How Japan Builds Brains - tribunedigital-chicagotribune

I'd say your anecdotes are cute, but they don't mean much.

Asians in general have a high IQ (and so do Jews) - which is programmed into the DNA due to their ancient cultures. Learning does not start or stop with each generation.

The ability to be brutal has ended up trumping IQ in a lot of cases. Also, there is little reason for the majority of any population to be high IQ - we only need X people to build rockets, program. etc.

In fact, my guess is that Ben Carson does not have a high IQ (and is a brain surgeon) .....if he does, he certainly has the narrowest focus of any smart individual I've ever listened to.

There is no "IQ Myth". IQ is one semi-standardized test that gives some kind of an idea of a part of human intelligence. There is a lot more to it.....but we don't win any prizes when we pooh-pooh everything and say "oh, well, we are all the same now and nothing we have come up with matters much".....

Indians have math in their DNA and/or pre programmed into their neural pathways. Why would we, the human race, think people are so different than dogs. That is, we have observed tendencies in animals that are passed on and we have the same.
I didn't say we are all the same, my point was IQ may correlate with developed societies but is certainly not the cause of developed society. Also IQ calculations are B.S, have you looked up how they got the IQ for most of Africa? How Richard Lynn got his average African IQ of 70?
 
Old 11-26-2017, 03:38 PM
 
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In a general sense, Asians and Jews score higher than other populations, putting the white population squarely in the middle.
Russia, for example, is far down the list (USA also). So is Greece. Meanwhile, Greece invented modern civilization and Russia and the USA have build tens of thousands of nukes and explored space, etc.
Source please?The reason I ask is that it appears you are basing these claims on this: https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country
Which is 100% based on the flawed and thoroughly debunked work of Robert Lynn
 
Old 11-26-2017, 03:40 PM
 
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How Richard Lynn got his average African IQ of 70?
Yep, that's interesting..."For reasons not given, Lynn (2006) and Lynn and Vanhanen (2006) only used data from the two lowest scoring samples from Nigeria. Most of the remaining samples show higher scores, but those samples were not included in the estimation of the national IQ of Nigeria and Sierra Leone. Likewise, Lynn (and Vanhanen) did not consider several relatively high-scoring African samples from South Africa (Crawford Nutt, 1976; Pons, 1974)"
Racial Reality: Devastating Criticism of Richard Lynn
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