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Old 11-26-2017, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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No. Europeans are part Neanderthal, from about 1-4 percent. Some European populations have more Neanderthal DNA than others. Unmixed sub-Saharan Africans don't have any Neanderthal DNA. If a random European has 4 percent Neanderthal DNA and an African has zero, then they can't be 99.9999 percent the same now, can they?
You do realize Neanderthals share 99.7% of their DNA with humans, so if someone is 1-4% Neanderthal that means they share like 99.9999% of their DNA with another human that is zero percent Neanderthal.

 
Old 11-26-2017, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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To me it seems that such topics are just a more subtle attempt to support old racist views. Some people for instance say that due to the Neanderthal admixture whites and even more so East Asians (who experienced one additional wave of mixing) non-Africans are more intelligent. After all, intelligence is the only aspect of interest to racists because it is what would allow them to feel superior. Everything else such as skin color is just a matter of taste.
Exactly and IQ measures intelligence in terms of western standards. Intelligence is defined as "the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations". A resident of South Sudan who can keep his/her family from starving is, according to that definition, intelligent. An individual in the US who has an IQ score of 130 but engages in destructive personal behaviors, smoking, drugs, or overeating is not, in my opinion, the sharpest knife in the drawer
 
Old 11-26-2017, 10:09 AM
 
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But race still is a social construct.

The variables within the human species have never been enough to classify humans into sub-species (which is what "race" would be).

We just learned more about the variables and this development does show greater difference between humans but we're still far away from tweaking the work of Linnaeus.



Words used to describe the differences are not as important as the differences.


A genetic difference is a real difference that can help to explain why Africans and non-Africans learn, behave and perform in different ways.


Instead of always explaining our differences in terms of white on black racism, we can honestly consider in what ways our genetic code, well-suited for the areas and ages in which it originated, leads us to different outcomes here and now.


Yes, it is correct to generalize based on genetic differences.


We can all stop apologizing for using logic.
 
Old 11-26-2017, 10:14 AM
 
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Exactly and IQ measures intelligence in terms of western standards. Intelligence is defined as "the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations". A resident of South Sudan who can keep his/her family from starving is, according to that definition, intelligent. An individual in the US who has an IQ score of 130 but engages in destructive personal behaviors, smoking, drugs, or overeating is not, in my opinion, the sharpest knife in the drawer

I knew a person like that, he had three master degrees before he was twenty, and for the last 15 years he rather smoke dope all day and work as a concrete finisher so he would not have to think, and he happy
 
Old 11-26-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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I thought scientists were all paid shills?
 
Old 11-26-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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That is not the case. Species are defined as different enough not to be able to reliably procreate. Tell me two different species that are closer than any two humans as different as say a Sudanese and a Swede.



To be fair, the procreation standard was a punt from the beginning because their are so many exceptions (for example: horses and donkeys), but we still needed some standard in order to classify species, even if it is less than 100% relevant and accurate.
 
Old 11-26-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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Words used to describe the differences are not as important as the differences. A genetic difference is a real difference that can help to explain why Africans and non-Africans learn, behave and perform in different ways. Instead of always explaining our differences in terms of white on black racism, we can honestly consider in what ways our genetic code, well-suited for the areas and ages in which it originated, leads us to different outcomes here and now. Yes, it is correct to generalize based on genetic differences. We can all stop apologizing for using logic.
In other words you want something other than skin color to prove that white folks are special and entitled
 
Old 11-26-2017, 10:29 AM
 
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I knew a person like that, he had three master degrees before he was twenty, and for the last 15 years he rather smoke dope all day and work as a concrete finisher so he would not have to think, and he happy
A perfect real life example of what I was describing
 
Old 11-26-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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If you really think that, then import a few million Sudanese into Sweden and watch what happens to that country.

That ought to be fun.
Well, the problem is simply that locals would not accept it and become racist. But if all Swedes were blind, nobody would notice the difference. Of course I am speaking of African babies growing up in Sweden, not about African adults moving to Sweden.

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Old 11-26-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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If you really think that, then import a few million Sudanese into Sweden and watch what happens to that country.

That ought to be fun.
Key Words: “Among Swedes”, I have yet to see a person who was raised in Japan not come out culturally 100% Japanese. Look at their soccer team and runners of partial African decent on their youth teams, when they speak in interviews their extremely “Japanese” in all aspects. I doubt their is a single Sudanese person raised in A mostly Swedish’s kminated environment that didn’t come out Swedish.
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