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Old 01-08-2017, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Southwest Louisiana
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How do you feel about the term "tone policing" Do you find it to be legit or just another case of making an issue bigger than it actually is? Does tone policing anger you or do you find the claim to be getting out of hand?

 
Old 01-08-2017, 11:29 AM
 
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Originally Posted by mrmondaynight View Post
Never understood the entire "rap culture" argument racists love to use. The largest consumers of rap music are suburban white kids.

They're the ones buying the albums & going to these shows.
I am white and you may be correct. But it's not so much who buys the music, as for who these rappers are role models. Do you think white suburban kids see them as role models? I'm asking since I don't really know.
As for the rappers themselves, many are talented people that ride the wave because that's what the market demands. But it's the culture around the rap that seems to have the greatest impact on black kids.
 
Old 01-08-2017, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Hyde Park, Los Angeles
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I am white and you may be correct. But it's not so much who buys the music, as for who these rappers are role models. Do you think white suburban kids see them as role models? I'm asking since I don't really know.
As for the rappers themselves, many are talented people that ride the wave because that's what the market demands. But it's the culture around the rap that seems to have the greatest impact on black kids.
This is my take on it. I've been listening to rap music ever since Run-DMC. It isn't so much the culture, but the message behind it. The powers that be capitalized on this phenomenon and decided to manipulate the message in their quest to make money from this music.

Rap music in its early days was about life in the ghetto and how Black people rose above the trials and tribulations that would await them. These situations spawned songs such as "Stop The Violence," "The Message," and "Self-Destruction." Then came gangsta rap here in my neck of the woods. The "industry" believed this subgenre would make a killing in the rap game. Money was a bigger influence instead of love for the music. This is why you hear these new rappers talk about gibberish like money, cars, clothes, sex, etc.

For a better insight on what hip hop culture truly was about, I'd recommend listening to artists like Boogie Down Productions, Public Enemy, et al.

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Old 01-08-2017, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Southwest Louisiana
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Old gangster rap was real where as today's gangster rap is a facade. Many of these rappers today grew up one step away from a country club and have no experience of what they rap about. Now as far as seeing them as role models.....I believe many naive impoverished youth fall for the trap and I believe suburban kids mimic the lifestyle rapped about simpler because they think that it's cool.
 
Old 01-08-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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I haven't read this thread, but I've akso never met a black persons who says "blacks".
 
Old 01-08-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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I am white and you may be correct. But it's not so much who buys the music, as for who these rappers are role models. Do you think white suburban kids see them as role models? I'm asking since I don't really know.
As for the rappers themselves, many are talented people that ride the wave because that's what the market demands. But it's the culture around the rap that seems to have the greatest impact on black kids.
*especially* from fellow blacks.
 
Old 01-08-2017, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Southwest Louisiana
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Asking for input *especially* from other black people does not mean that I am excluding members of other races from commenting. There have been a few white members commenting and I am fine with that as long as they are not causing a commotion.
 
Old 01-08-2017, 02:18 PM
 
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This is my take on it. I've been listening to rap music ever since Run-DMC. It isn't so much the culture, but the message behind it. The powers that be capitalized on this phenomenon and decided to manipulate the message in their quest to make money from this music.

Rap music in its early days was about life in the ghetto and how Black people rose above the trials and tribulations that would await them. These situations spawned songs such as "Stop The Violence," "The Message," and "Self-Destruction." Then came gangsta rap here in my neck of the woods. The "industry" believed this subgenre would make a killing in the rap game. Money was a bigger influence instead of love for the music. This is why you hear these new rappers talk about gibberish like money, cars, clothes, sex, etc.

For a better insight on what hip hop culture truly was about, I'd recommend listening to artists like Boogie Down Productions, Public Enemy, et al.
Or go back even further to the Last Poets in the latter 60s.
 
Old 01-08-2017, 02:25 PM
 
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I haven't read this thread, but I've akso never met a black persons who says "blacks".
I do. Have since the 60s.

Wait, here is a sentence from a black woman quoted in an article in Ebony Magazine:

"Blacks represent no more than about 2 percent of the Ph.D.s in computing that are awarded. "
 
Old 01-08-2017, 02:31 PM
 
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How do you feel about the term "tone policing" Do you find it to be legit or just another case of making an issue bigger than it actually is? Does tone policing anger you or do you find the claim to be getting out of hand?
I had to Google that:

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RH: Tone policing is a silencing tactic. That means it's part of a set of tools used by people holding privilege to prevent marginalized individuals or groups from sharing their experiences of oppression.Dec 7, 2015
Most of the Google hits were from feminist sources.

We certainly practiced "tone policing" in the Civil Rights era. It was the reason we usually dressed well--even in suits--during protests. It was the entire point of non-violence.

It was an understanding of Sam Browne's quote: "Never offend with style when you can offend with substance."
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