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If the story is true, then yes, the teacher deserves to be punished.
The teacher is under investigation, not under arrest. Nobody is ruining the teacher's life here.
That is why I stated
If this story is true.. then even the All-Muslim-are-bad crowd have to admit this little dude is too young to be picked on.
Based on your posting history, it is pretty safe to assume you lean to the left, the only reason you single me out is because I am a conservative (this is my opinion) Even when I defend this Muslim boy and support an investigation of the teacher, you still attack me.
If you want an adult conversation, at least stay fair.
Yes, if this story is true, then the teacher deserves to suffer from the consequences of her action
That is why the teacher right now is under investigation. Nobody is ruining her life.
She has been identified by name by some of the media. A teacher accused of harming a 5-year old, as it is, is forever tainted even if cleared. She will never be able to transfer schools because no other school wants the potenial headache. At the same time, even if she is cleared, at her current school some of the other teachers won't want to be associated with her and parents will try to avoid their child being placed in her class - you know, just in case. After all, according to a lot of the public, the union or school system probably covered up for her, so her being cleared doesn't really matter.
That's bad enough, but this lady has special problems. As stated above, she has been publicly identified by name and, unfortunately, some social media pages have her picture, her address, and phone numbers posted. She has received numerous death threats and based on the parties involved I suspect anyone in her position would be genuinely terrified. I would not be surprised if she has had to go in hiding. That isn't going to go away, even if she is innocent, because most assume she is guilty no matter what an investigation shows, and that will include unstable individuals who will want to avenge the child since the alleged reason of abuse is attributed to their shared religion.
Yeah, her life is ruined. And it is ruined regardless of the outcome of the investigation.
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well, many of us don't believe Cair has much credibility, but in this case, the teacher is under investigation. She is not under arrest.
Don't know where the "wreck the life" part came from.
The teacher can also sue for defamation.
Suing for defamation does little to repair the damage once the floodgates of public scorn have opened.
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She has been identified by name by some of the media. A teacher accused of harming a 5-year old, as it is, is forever tainted even if cleared. She will never be able to transfer schools because no other school wants the potenial headache. At the same time, even if she is cleared, at her current school some of the other teachers won't want to be associated with her and parents will try to avoid their child being placed in her class - you know, just in case. After all, according to a lot of the public, the union or school system probably covered up for her, so her being cleared doesn't really matter.
That's bad enough, but this lady has special problems. As stated above, she has been publicly identified by name and, unfortunately, some social media pages have her picture, her address, and phone numbers posted. She has received numerous death threats and based on the parties involved I suspect anyone in her position would be genuinely terrified. I would not be surprised if she has had to go in hiding. That isn't going to go away, even if she is innocent, because most assume she is guilty no matter what an investigation shows, and that will include unstable individuals who will want to avenge the child since the alleged reason of abuse is attributed to their shared religion.
Yeah, her life is ruined. And it is ruined regardless of the outcome of the investigation.
Suing for defamation does little to repair the damage once the floodgates of public scorn have opened.
Well, I can see your point.
I have said it in my first post
IF THIS STORY IS TRUE, then the teacher should be punished accordingly.
I guess I am the one has been singled out for attacks. riiiight. Looks like BOTH left and right have problems with me LOL
The left: How dare you questioning the accuracy of the story!
The right: How dare you defend a Muslim organization!
Rest of the people: How can you not see a teacher's life is ruined!
WOW really?
All i have said is
IF THIS StORY IS TRUE, then the teacher should be punished accordingly.
well, many of us don't believe Cair has much credibility, but in this case, the teacher is under investigation. She is not under arrest.
Don't know where the "wreck the life" part came from.
The teacher can also sue for defamation.
The lawsuit names the teacher. It's public information. While MSM, including Fox News, have, thus far, chosen not to disclose the teacher's identity, Social Media has.
"Madrasa (Arabic: مدرسة, madrasah,pl. مدارس, madāris, Turkish: Medrese, Kazakh: Медресе) is the Arabic word for any type of educational institution, whether secular or religious (of any religion). The word is variously transliteratedmadrasah, medresa, madrassa, madraza, medrese, etc. In the West, the word usually refers to a specific type of religious school or college for the study of the Islamic religion, though this may not be the only subject studied. In countries like India, not all students in madrasas are Muslims; there is also a modern curriculum.[SIZE=2][1][/SIZE]"
(My emphasis - more @ the URL)
Note also that in India (& some other countries), non-Muslims may also attend. That's interesting in & of itself. You learn something every day.
The lawsuit names the teacher. It's public information. While MSM, including Fox News, have, thus far, chosen not to disclose the teacher's identity, Social Media has.
Which is pretty sad.
Confidentiality means keeping a client's information between you and the client. So fox news and MSM are doing the right thing, social media - A place I try to stay away from.
Cair, although I take their statements with 'a grain of salt', I don't think the "ruining life" part came from them in this case at least; they are doing the right thing. The teacher should be under investigation.
IF THIS StORY IS TRUE, then the teacher should be punished accordingly.
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That is exactly right. This is the US in 2016CE, not Christendom during the Crusades, nor Persia @ its height. A police investigation is under way, the judicial process needs to run (if warranted), before we know who to believe.
Anything else is premature. The media are not the courts, their opinions are merely their opinions. @ this point, the media - the MSM, @ least - should only be reporting facts.
& while the initial focus is on the teacher, I assume that the police will investigate everything around the allegations - how the Muslim child was treated, if he was singled out for intimidation or bullying, by his classmates or the teacher or anyone else @ the school or on school property (to include school transportation, if there was any). The police will likely meet with the child, his classmates, the teacher, any aides or anybody else in the classroom, the parents of all the classmates, school administrators, look @ social media of the involved, parents - in short, I expect a professional investigation.
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IF THIS STORY IS TRUE, then the teacher should be punished accordingly.
I guess I am the one has been singled out for attacks. riiiight. Looks like BOTH left and right have problems with me LOL
The left: How dare you questioning the accuracy of the story!
The right: How dare you defend a Muslim organization!
Rest of the people: How can you not see a teacher's life is ruined!
WOW really?
All i have said is
IF THIS StORY IS TRUE, then the teacher should be punished accordingly.
bye
I also think if it is true she should be punished, it is totally unacceptable for a teacher to treat any child as has been described. They should fire her, yank her teacher certification permanently, charge her with assault, make her go to anger management training, and either spend some time in jail or be under court ordered counseling. If she's guilty I want the book tossed her. If she's guilty.
The problem is the story a child goes home and tells is not always true. Sometimes it's distorted because the child's inferences are faulty, sometimes it's done because they are about to get in trouble, and sometimes kids exaggerate because they enjoy a bit of drama or attention. School officials understand that but they also understand the teacher or other employee must immediately be removed from interaction with children and that does happen immediately if they have an ounce of intellegence. Ideally, at that point the school will quietly investigate and nothing will be publicized unless the charge has merit. But, as we al know, in this day and age that is not what happens. What happens is the information is made public at lightening speed and the teacher is presumed guilty. Once that happens it is almost impossible for that teacher to ever not be marked.
I've known two teachers that have been undisputedly falsely accused by students. Both were males and the students in question ended up admitting they lied. One ended up just getting out of teaching and the other ended up committing suicide 3 years later. Supposedly in his note to his wife it was brought up.
I don't know what the answer is, I really don't. When dealing with children any assumptions or actions must err on the side of the protection of the children, it is what it is. I just want people to realize that accusations of a child being harmed by a teacher will likely destroy that teacher's career and perhaps their life, so making those charges public should only be made if the school system blows you off or doesn't separate the child and teacher during the investigation. Give them a chance to do what needs to be done in a way that has the best chance of protecting any innocent parties.
But, no question, this teacher's life has been permantly scarred, and it doesn't matter if she's cleared. Somehow stories of innocence never get as much traction as accusations of wrong doing.
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