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A similar poll was posted on the forum a few years back.
I was surprised by the number who said they would disown their child he/ she came out. I was surprised so many felt they " owned" their children to the point of " disowning" them.
I agree. Who "owns" their children. It's more like they own us.
Any parent who "disowned" their child because they didn't like something about them couldn't have loved them that much to start out with.
Im not an absolutist, so im sure there is someone out there that is gay just because they can be, but I doubt it.
Also, who you have sex with doesnt determine sexuality, attraction =/= sexual partner. An opening is an opening, its just that simple. So what you define as experimentation is about sexual gratification, not attraction.
Also,you do view homosexuality negatively as you put it in the same category as drugs.
Do you actually know any gay people beyond the professional or acquaintance level? No, not liberal children, but gays in their 50's or older? You may want to meet some. Because much like with voter ID and minorities, the liberal illusion of the gay community is seriously flawed.
Because they don't all enter the world that way. That's a myth purported by liberals pushing an agenda. Now if you want to break out the shovel and start splitting hairs over what "gay" means, you may as well go outside and speak into an empty trash can. Because YES, it does matter who you have sex with.
Do you actually know any gay people beyond the professional or acquaintance level? No, not liberal children, but gays in their 50's or older? You may want to meet some. Because much like with voter ID and minorities, the liberal illusion of the gay community is seriously flawed.
Because they don't all enter the world that way. That's a myth purported by liberals pushing an agenda. Now if you want to break out the shovel and start splitting hairs over what "gay" means, you may as well go outside and speak into an empty trash can. Because YES, it does matter who you have sex with.
You are mistaken.
I do know gay men and women and have for years. Most say they've known they were gay since they were teens. Some say they have always known they were different than their siblings.
Women talk about not being excited about playing princess and so forth.
Those pushing their agenda here are not the liberals.
I do know gay men and women and have for years. Most say they've known they were gay since they were teens. Some say they have always known they were different than their siblings.
Women talk about not being excited about playing princess and so forth.
Those pushing their agenda here are not the liberals.
Meet more of them than the 2 or 3 you know. When you've worked in the club business you end up meeting several. To assume they all have similar stories is patently ridiculous, as well as untrue. I mean really, to say all gay people are "born that way" is like saying all black people love "soul food". One idea is just as prejudiced as the other.
Do you actually know any gay people beyond the professional or acquaintance level? No, not liberal children, but gays in their 50's or older? You may want to meet some. Because much like with voter ID and minorities, the liberal illusion of the gay community is seriously flawed.
Because they don't all enter the world that way. That's a myth purported by liberals pushing an agenda. Now if you want to break out the shovel and start splitting hairs over what "gay" means, you may as well go outside and speak into an empty trash can. Because YES, it does matter who you have sex with.
What are you trying to get at?
I work with several gay and lesbian people in their 50s or above, and know several more on the board of the nonprofit I'm involved with, my alma mater's alumni board, my synagogue, and my community. My downstairs neighbors for several years was an elderly lesbian couple. What's your point?
I work with several gay and lesbian people in their 50s or above, and know several more on the board of the nonprofit I'm involved with, my alma mater's alumni board, my synagogue, and my community. My downstairs neighbors for several years was an elderly lesbian couple. What's your point?
"Work with", "on a board", and live next to. You know these people about as well as I know my mailman. That's precisely my point.
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Do you actually know any gay people beyond the professional or acquaintance level? No, not liberal children, but gays in their 50's or older? You may want to meet some. Because much like with voter ID and minorities, the liberal illusion of the gay community is seriously flawed.
I actually know plenty of gay people. And not just some facebook friend I have never met type deal either. Im talking about talk to and see every other day, have known since middle school or younger types, go for a drink on the week ends and stay at each others house. and no surprisingly they arent all liberals. The illusion of the gay community is a societal one, not a liberal one.
My guess is, you have met one gay person who told you it was a choice for what ever reason and you now think that means there is some sizable chunk and that just isnt true, or you are defining it by the "love child" type of the 60's and 70's which seems likely based on you using those ages and the argument of experimentation.
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Because they don't all enter the world that way. That's a myth purported by liberals pushing an agenda. Now if you want to break out the shovel and start splitting hairs over what "gay" means, you may as well go outside and speak into an empty trash can. Because YES, it does matter who you have sex with.
Yes they are. People who are gay, are attracted to the same sex, are born that way.
What you argued in talking about experimentation, is about sex, not sexuality. No different than the guy who wants to get laid at last call who takes home the ugly girl.
Therefore, there is no myth, you are simply using the broadest definition of "gay" as possible.
Would you accept your child if they had Blonde hair?
Would you accept your child if they had Red hair?
Would you accept your child if they had Blue eyes?
Would you accept your child if they had Green eyes?
Would you accept your child if they are a "Lefty"?
A person has as much control of those things as their sexuality.
Yeah, they can FORCE changes but still are whatever born with.
When my MIL came out to her mother, her mother's response was priceless.... "It was about time." She always knew that something was different about her daughter. Her current partner has always said that being a lesbian was always the "normal" for her even as a little girl growing up in a conservative part of Texas.
I grew up with three brothers; one elder and a set of young twins. When we were in college, each of the twins left to study; One in Spain and the other in San Diego. The one in Spain fell in love (they are still together) to another man. After a year, he made the difficult call to his family. To the surprise of his twin in San Diego, he too had come out of the closet but wasn't quite ready to tell his twin brother.
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