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Old 12-27-2016, 09:24 PM
 
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Both parties are pro-cheap-labor. Both parties are screwing the lower and middle classes with outsourcing and illegal immigration.

The Democrats and Republicans only pretend to compete against each other. Elections are just a distraction.

Wake up.
Exactly right. That's why I voted for Trump.

I love when the right says "Trump is not a true conservative."

God I hope so. We'll see.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Bias? It's a bias to note that a president is responsible for what happens during their administration?

The "buck stops here" is an out dated concept?
So then Obama owns all of the responsibility for making more debt than the 43 Presidents before him combined...ok.


I guess I partially agree with you that the President didn't have the ability to sell and compromise with the opposing party to get things done. In that regard, Obama failed miserably as he made no serious effort to convince or compromise much with Republicans to get any of his agenda approved. That Presidents Bush & Obama failed to convince and compromise effectively with the Republican Congress in Obama's case and Dem Congress with Bush means both are equal failures, since the buck stops there.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:27 PM
 
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Raising minimum wage and adding laws that help workers over employers would help the standard of living but Democrats refuse to reduce immigration for a couple decades. Economy would be best ever had immigration mostly stopped in 2000. Population growth due to immigration massively outpaced job growth.

I think the Left (Democrats) are expecting that mass illegal immigration will force the country further left, because MORE/LARGER government programs are a "fair" response to compensate the working class for the economic devastation imposed on them by illegal immigration. e.g. massive illegal immigration = necessarily skyrocketing rents --> requires massive expansion of rent assistance to the working class PLUS $15/hr minimum wage.

Unfortunately, raising minimum wage will never solve the intractable shortage of housing affordable at below-median incomes, so every time the minimum wage is increased, protesters will be back for more.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Middle class incomes had their fastest growth on record last year

BTW, belief has nothing to do with math & science. You're mistaking it for religion.
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Old 12-28-2016, 12:49 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Absolutely, in 2008 my city was in shambles and seemingly 1/2 abandoned due to the Real Estate crisis. Things are chugging along just fine now.

Could it be better? Absolutely, but that wasn't your question. Really think about the hole Bush put is into.
What policies of Bush "put us in a hole?"
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Old 12-28-2016, 01:32 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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You are looking at the world through a different set of lens than those that voted Trump. Not only haven't they enjoyed your economic recovery, some of the current administration's policies made it even more unlikely they ever will. I just love when my fellow teachers say illegal immigration doesn't have an economic impact. No, not for them, matter of fact, it increases job security because it brings more children, many who will need extra educational services. What they aren't choosing to see is Little Johnny's dad can no longer earn an extra $200/week helping Farmer Dan on his days off because the illegal immigrant will do the exact same job for $75. And while having a cleaner world is good, creating regulations that shut the doors of the various main employers in entire regions of Kentucky and West Virginia has destroyed the economy of those two states and it will take decades before recovers. It is part of the reason Pennsylvania went red.
Neither of the 2 things you spoke of are things liberals/progressives/Democrats created, and I think that is the crux of the problem here.


It would be by definition more regulation to force farmers to e-verify (I-9) farm hands. And it wasnt some Democratic policy that allowed them in anyways.

Both Clinton and Obama added boarder patrol agents, and like it or not, creating a path to citizenship would indeed eliminate everything you are talking about.

As for coal, That again isnt something Democrats created. Coal mining is dangerous , and expensive in and of itself.

Natural gas, Hydro, geothermal, and even wind energy are cheaper than Coal is. Coal is simply being priced out of the market, It isnt regulations that are hurting it so much as it is competition.

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The same was true for the western part of Virginia and Clinton only won the state because of the suburbs of DC in Northern Virginia.
Clinton won Virginia by 5 points, even winning (districts)or outperforming Democrats down ballot in that state, her margin of victory and number of votes exceeding Obama in 2012. Could it have been Tim Kaine who boosted her, maybe, but based on polls, she did much better in Virginia comparatively.

Virginia seems to be a bad example of the argument you want to make. At best, it is just a Red vs Blue issue more than anything else there.
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Old 12-28-2016, 01:47 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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$10/hr jobs don't cover the rent in many places.
Renting is more expensive than home ownership.


I was making 10.10 and paying a mortgage.

Everyone cant do that, but some can and just arent willing to take the leap.
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Old 12-28-2016, 02:20 AM
 
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Renting is more expensive than home ownership.


I was making 10.10 and paying a mortgage.

Everyone cant do that, but some can and just arent willing to take the leap.

That is the price of rent serfdom. MOST $10/hr earners cannot buy a home in this country unless they have a partner to share the obligation. In the South, ownership is more affordable. Where I live, an annual income of ~$70,000 is required to qualify for a mortgage to buy the median-priced home.
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Old 12-28-2016, 02:24 AM
 
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Middle class incomes had their fastest growth on record last year

BTW, belief has nothing to do with math & science. You're mistaking it for religion.
Then why are you quoting a WaPo opinion article, as a source? They are notorious for supporting the status quo.

But even on their own article, if you look at the source they cite, real medium incomes are no better than they were 21 years ago, and those figures are NOT inflation adjusted.

In short, the Obama economy has been a disaster for workers. Now there is some math & science for you.
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Old 12-28-2016, 07:02 AM
 
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So then Obama owns all of the responsibility for making more debt than the 43 Presidents before him combined...ok.
This is such an ignorant, knee jerk response and spoken like a died in the wool extreme partisan. Get over it.

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I guess I partially agree with you that the President didn't have the ability to sell and compromise with the opposing party to get things done.
I NEVER said that.

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In that regard, Obama failed miserably as he made no serious effort to convince or compromise much with Republicans to get any of his agenda approved. That Presidents Bush & Obama failed to convince and compromise effectively with the Republican Congress in Obama's case and Dem Congress with Bush means both are equal failures, since the buck stops there.
And in the end you basically agree with me but still had to argue something nonsensical.
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