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Old 12-28-2016, 03:48 PM
 
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As a 64 year old curmudgeon, I can admit that the whole "trans" topic kinda creeps me out. However, I have seen enough and read enough to know that most of these people are in real pain, pain that we might not be able to understand. We are always learning new things about the human psyche. Forget the 19th century, just 25 years ago it was an accepted practice to mock "queers" openly. Now, gay marriage is the law of the land in most places. It is a challenge to our "normalcy bias" to have to make accommodations for trans people, just as it was and is a challenge for many to accept gays and lesbians. I always try to think about these things from the standpoint of "what if it was my kid"? That way we can bring a little more compassion to the conversation and realize that these are just people trying to live THEIR lives as best they can.
Great post, I like the way you think. It's okay to feel uncomfortable about it and even not understand it but that doesn't mean people should be so mean and shun it. I try to be tolerant and as understanding as I can be about these things. Asking yourself "what if it were my kid?" is a great way to try to be compassionate.

People often mock and hate what they don't understand. It's sad.
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Old 12-28-2016, 03:53 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I generally support gay rights but I am not 100 percent on board with the transgendered thing in some circumstances. Here, I feel like the "born boys" should be in the boyscouts and "born girls" in the girl scouts. The kid is not going to have a sex change at 8 years old (at least I hope not). At the same time, how much does sex/gender really matter at 8 years old? Do they really need two separate groups at that age?
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Old 12-28-2016, 03:54 PM
 
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I remember one of my kids saying to me, "I just find [same sex attraction] icky." I responded with, "Congratulations, you now know you're straight, but that does not give you the excuse to be a jerk to someone for whom it's not so clear cut."
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Old 12-28-2016, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Basically the "boy" was born a girl. His/Her birth certificate says female. Boy Scouts says they make decisions based off the birth certificate.






https://www.yahoo.com/news/cub-scout...171745383.html
Private business decision.

Another non-controversy.
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:02 PM
 
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Private business decision.

Another non-controversy.
Not so straight-forward. Boy Scouts is a cooperative venture between families, troop/pack volunteers, charter organizations, and the corporate entity we call the Boy Scouts of America. Everyone has to come to an agreement about how to deal with these situations, which is why it IS controversial. Boy Scouts of America is not just the people who sit in Dallas; it includes every member in good standing, and we don't walk in lockstep when it comes to issues of sexuality/gender identification.
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:03 PM
 
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Men can and do participate in USGSA (Girl Scouts), and here is the organization's policy regarding transgender members...
Do the Girl Scouts allow men to be troop leaders? I find that hard to believe that parents would allow men to spend the night with their young daughters, though I also find it odd that parents would let their daughters spend the night with a boy who claimed to be a girl. But like I said, they are a private organization and can do what they want, whether I agree or not.
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:06 PM
 
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do the girl scouts allow men to be troop leaders? I find that hard to believe that parents would allow men to spend the night with their young daughters, though i also find it odd that parents would let their daughters spend the night with a boy who claimed to be a girl. But like i said, they are a private organization and can do what they want, whether i agree or not.
lmgtfy...

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with respect to volunteers, girl scouts welcomes both male and female adult volunteers and has developed appropriate safeguards regarding roles and responsibilities to ensure that girls receive the proper supervision and support.
In other words, yes, men can and do function as troop leaders in the USGSA.

It's clear to me that some of you have very little familiarity with the way scouting works in both the BSA and the USGSA. They are family-supported organizations with a high rate of parent volunteers. Parents are always welcome, and, in fact, they are strongly encouraged to participate in pack/troop activities. Men do not just take little girls out into the woods for a weekend, and neither is the reverse true. (Yeah, women can be Boy Scout leaders, too.)

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Old 12-28-2016, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Not so straight-forward. Boy Scouts is a cooperative venture between families, troop/pack volunteers, charter organizations, and the corporate entity we call the Boy Scouts of America. Everyone has to come to an agreement about how to deal with these situations, which is why it IS controversial. Boy Scouts of America is not just the people who sit in Dallas; it includes every member in good standing, and we don't walk in lockstep when it comes to issues of sexuality/gender identification.
It is straight-forward.

If you don't like it...leave.

If a party is in breach of contract then take it to arbitration.

Of course I'm talking philosophically here. Under statism we don't own our bodies/minds/actions. The government takes our rights at birth then cedes them back to us at its discretion.
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:13 PM
 
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It is straight-forward.

If you don't like it...leave.

If a party is in breach of contract then take it to arbitration.

Of course I'm talking philosophically here. Under statism we don't own our bodies/minds/actions. The government takes our rights at birth then cedes them back to us at its discretion.
Again, it's not that straight-forward. BSA ceases to exist without the cooperation of charter organizations, families, and adult volunteers. The corporate entity called BSA is just as beholden to us as we are to them.
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Again, it's not that straight-forward. BSA ceases to exist without the cooperation of charter organizations, families, and adult volunteers. The corporate entity called BSA is just as beholden to us as we are to them.
Ok, well if you don't want to leave then renegotiate or whatever else you want to do on the inside.

I'm just saying outsiders, including Uncle Sammy, have no business here.
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