Trump and GOP eager to kill Medicare and end health care for 22 million seniors/ disabled (statistics, school)

[whogo]

Originally Posted by Robert_J

If you are currently receiving benefits, that continues.
If you are paying into the system you can continue. You can opt out and get your money back. Tax credits, lump sum, or some combination.
If you haven't started paying into it, then when you get a job you will need to be a responsible adult and save for a rainy day.





So the government is there to save people from themselves.

Sadly we need to protect ourselves from government subsidizing poor investors.

It’s the real world.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by KerrTown

Only proves that Anti-New Dealers still exist in the GOP, despite most of FDR's contemporaries being long dead. Socialism for The People--bad! Corporate Socialism--good!!!

You couldn't be more wrong.

It was a Republican governor who created the first social security program.

Other Republican governors followed suit, as did some Democrat governors.

When FDR became governor of New York in 1928, he borrowed elements of two social security programs in Republican States to craft a social security program for New York.

At the time the Social Security Act of 1935 was enacted, 35 States had social security plans, and the remaining 13 States (there were only 48 States at the time) had pending legislation for social security programs or were in the process of drafting plans.

29 of the 35 States had set the retirement age at 65 years, while the other 6 States had set the retirement age at 70 years.

That fact, in addition to data compiled from actuarial studies, is the reason age 65 was chosen for the federal Social Security program.

The issue Republicans have is that the federal government usurped the power of the States by nationalizing all 35 existing social security programs.

Eisenhower usurped the power of the States again in 1958, when he nationalized all State disability programs into the Social Security Disability program, which totally screwed Millions of Americans.

The Social Security Administration only recognizes total permanent disability, while the disability programs of all 48 States recognized total permanent disability, plus temporary total disability, permanent partial disability, and temporary partial disability.

If you got injured in a non-work related accident or suffered an illness in 1957 that lasted a year, your State would pay you temporary total disability, so you could pay your rent and utilities and feed and clothe your family.

Today, if the same situation occurs, Social Security will tell you to suck pond water.

If you lost an arm or leg, or your sight, your State would pay you permanent partial disability, making up the difference in wages from your former job and your new job that paid far less, because of your disability.

Again, the Social Security Administration will tell you to muck off.

State programs were much better than the federal programs, protecting far more people who are vulnerable than the federal government does.

Originally Posted by KerrTown

Obamacare was really implementing The Heritage Foundation's, the Republican think-tank, recommendations of a market-based health care system to show how much a failure GOP ideas are.

The Heritage Foundation are neo-conservatives, who were former Social Democrats who were Trotskyites and members of the Young People's Socialist League.

Irving Kristol was one of the members of the YPSL who co-opted and took over the leadership of the Social Democrats.

After the Great Society which was crafted by the Social Democrats proved to be a failure, and with the economic turmoil in the US in the early 1970s, Irving Kristol gave an interview with the New York Times in 1976 about the future of the Social Democrats, and the interviewer coined the phrase "neo-conservative."

That was the first time the phrase was ever used.

The Trotskyite Irving Kristol's son William "Billy" Kristol now heads the Social Democrats, or "neo-conservatives" if you prefer.

Originally Posted by Dbones

more #fakenews yet again from the usual suspects.

Basically.

Originally Posted by Boss

Kudlow answered a question from Becky Quick on CNBC on entitlements.

He said the GOP will fix them.

Originally Posted by Boss

The GOP again showing they do not care about the people who vote for them. SS and Medicare 2 of the best deals in the country.

Your post neither supports your misleading thread title or your claim.

[Boss]

You folks do not listen. The GOP is telling you what they are going to do. The claim to fix is a lie.

They will break the system with the debt load and then tell their faithful they have to cut SS and Medicare. It's the GOP playbook. The GOP has wanted to get free reign and now that they have it, debt growing at a tremendous rate from tax cuts and crazy spending.

[JAMS14]

Originally Posted by Boss

You folks do not listen. The GOP is telling you what they are going to do. The claim to fix is a lie.

They will break the system with the debt load and then tell their faithful they have to cut SS and Medicare. It's the GOP playbook. The GOP has wanted to get free reign and now that they have it, debt growing at a tremendous rate from tax cuts and crazy spending.

Yep. They give away OUR money to the one percent and wealthy corporations and the Military Industrial Complex, pass a $1.3 trillion spending boondoggle, and then they say, oh, no, we're out of money! We have NO CHOICE but to cut back on all the safety net programs. We're simply too broke to keep any programs that help ordinary Americans any longer. We already gave it all away to those at the top.

Go read Paul Ryan's budget and tax plans from 2012 and 2014. He laid this all out, and it is progressing now right according to his plan.

The only way to stop it is to vote the GOP out. They've earned it.

[Old Gringo]

Originally Posted by Boss

You folks do not listen. The GOP is telling you what they are going to do. The claim to fix is a lie.

They will break the system with the debt load and then tell their faithful they have to cut SS and Medicare. It's the GOP playbook. The GOP has wanted to get free reign and now that they have it, debt growing at a tremendous rate from tax cuts and crazy spending.

That's their plan and that's what they're pursuing.

The GOP's one unifying principle is to shift more of America's resources to the already wealthy.

[Boss]

Originally Posted by JAMS14

Yep. They give away OUR money to the one percent and wealthy corporations and the Military Industrial Complex, pass a $1.3 trillion spending boondoggle, and then they say, oh, no, we're out of money! We have NO CHOICE but to cut back on all the safety net programs. We're simply too broke to keep any programs that help ordinary Americans any longer. We already gave it all away to those at the top.

Go read Paul Ryan's budget and tax plans from 2012 and 2014. He laid this all out, and it is progressing now right according to his plan.

The only way to stop it is to vote the GOP out. They've earned it.

They have been telling us for decades and now they have created so much debt. It's just what the GOP did in NC.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by JAMS14

Yep. They give away OUR money to the one percent and wealthy corporations and the Military Industrial Complex, pass a $1.3 trillion spending boondoggle, and then they say, oh, no, we're out of money! We have NO CHOICE but to cut back on all the safety net programs. We're simply too broke to keep any programs that help ordinary Americans any longer. We already gave it all away to those at the top.

Go read Paul Ryan's budget and tax plans from 2012 and 2014. He laid this all out, and it is progressing now right according to his plan.

The only way to stop it is to vote the GOP out. They've earned it.

They didn't even hide this plan and the working classes still voted for them. Criminally insane.

[No_Recess]

Team Red nor Team Blue would ever eliminate SS or Medicare. SS is their pool of money to steal from and Medicare is their front for backroom deals with "private" (note the quotes) insurance companies, medical suppliers, etc.

[greywar]

Originally Posted by jamesvitch

Dumbest thing I have heard yet. This if fake news at its best.

Mixture. No the Republicans arent going to kill the programs (although some would like too), but they do plan on cutting them back-a LOT. Paul Ryan has discussed this a lot. Its the opposite of what we should be doing in the face of developing automation. So the Democrats are right to raise the alarm, and cutting these programs is insane.....but they arent killing them as the OP implies.

[desertdetroiter]

So Conservatives...if Social Security is eliminated, would employers put their share of your FICA into our checks or would they just pocket it?

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