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No one is trying to control other people's lives. The problem is that some men think that it's okay to claim that they identify as women to be allowed into the women's change room at the swimming pool. That's is not okay, as it infringes on the rights of all the authentic women and girls who are changing into swimsuits at the pool.
How does it infringe on anyone else's rights? The folks (mostly males, it seems) who are so bent out of shape about transgender women using bathrooms and locker rooms seem to think that transgender women love to parade around in the nude and display male genitalia.
I have never seen anyone in a public restroom parading around nude, and my experience with locker rooms is that women change in the toilet cubicles. They do not parade around nude there, either.
The one case mentioned earlier was a person in a sauna, and if anyone saw her it was because the person looking was invading the privacy of the one in the sauna.
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Originally Posted by Lieneke
Good point. Everyone using the female toilet needs to sit. Men are so messy with spray, and shaking on the walls. That's a disgusting addition to the female toilet that women should not be expected to tolerate.
I clean the bathroom at DH's office. Unfortunately, that situation is very true. Also unfortunately, it is a unisex facility. That means females have to deal with it.
I think you will find most transgender women sit to pee, even if they have not had surgery.
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Originally Posted by Lieneke
It is politically incorrect today to produce research that demonstrates that adult men who want to dress as, or appear as, women are actually not women, but rather men who have a fragile mental states.
Nope, that is just where the science leads today. Their natal sex might be one thing and their brains tell them their gender is different. There is no psychotherapy that will change their gender identity.
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Originally Posted by bastion79
The sun rises in the east, sets in the west. Water is wet, the sky is blue, 2+2=4.......and people who are self-loathing enough to want their genitals surgically transformed into those of the opposite sex are inherently unstable emotionally. Mentally unstable people are best kept away from children.
Citation request granted. You're welcome.
That is your opinion. There is no evidence that transgender people are dangerous to children. They are transgender, not pedophiles. Conflating the two just demonstrates ignorance.
Were you confused too? Is that why you had to look it up? outed
As far as the tread topic is concerned here is the OPs point "He, (and I will call him he) obviously seems to feel like being a woman, but assuming you believe it's really a legitimate thing, what is the difference between someone who should be considered transgendered and someone that just has other issues?"
Now do you understand why I asked the question? Go ahead pop off again, this is fun.
He, (and I will call him he) obviously seems to feel like being a woman, but assuming you believe it's really a legitimate thing, what is the difference between someone who should be considered transgendered and someone that just has other issues?
If, say, a guy such as in the aforementioned video who does a few things to look for like a woman and says they are a woman but is CLEARLY of the male sex albeit with no hormone replacements or what have you say they are female should we just go along with it? Should they have to do everything possible converting one's sex before they should be calling them what they say they are, or somewhere inbetween?
I may get some flack for this, but as a woman I know I would never accept at least what that person above a woman, no matter how much he may view himself female.
Tell you what...
I'd be willing to make a deal with the progressive lib's out there who think anyone should be able to declare themselves to be any gender, color, species etc to their little hearts desire.
Have at it.....marry your washing machine and make yourself eligible for spousal benefits from Whirlpool Corp. for all I care.
But this freedom comes with a price....
The end of all racial, sexual, gender and appliance based preferences, scholarships, quotas, hate crime victim status, affirmative action. rent controls, tax breaks, special bathroom facilities at taxpayer expense, mandatory sensitivity training for anyone who might not recognize which one of the 58 genders your are supposed to be and inadvertently calls you by Zir instead of Ze, HUD housing and any and all other benefits that are based on they way you look, feel, or imagine yourself to be that is in any way shape or form different than the average white male.
I have never seen anyone in a public restroom parading around nude, and my experience with locker rooms is that women change in the toilet cubicles. They do not parade around nude there, either.
As if schools with thousands of students have hundreds of toilet cubicles in the gym locker/shower rooms.
There will be hundreds of transgender kids in the locker room at one time?
There are hundreds of students of a single gender in the school gym locker/shower room at the same time. Throw an anatomically opposite gender student into the mix, and you've got a problem. These are MINORS.
He, (and I will call him he) obviously seems to feel like being a woman, but assuming you believe it's really a legitimate thing, what is the difference between someone who should be considered transgendered and someone that just has other issues?
If, say, a guy such as in the aforementioned video who does a few things to look for like a woman and says they are a woman but is CLEARLY of the male sex albeit with no hormone replacements or what have you say they are female should we just go along with it? Should they have to do everything possible converting one's sex before they should be calling them what they say they are, or somewhere inbetween?
I may get some flack for this, but as a woman I know I would never accept at least what that person above a woman, no matter how much he may view himself female.
Well, you were right-on when Bush was prez, but Obama opened up the US to a different view. That view is if you got a penis and say your a woman, then your a woman. If you got a vagina and say your a man, then your a man. Thanks Obama for a job well done!
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