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Exactly... To add to this why does it HAVE to be either an enemy who you don't ever talk to and vilify or an ally that you bend over for?
Many countries are frienamies who we deal with because it serves our best interests but who do NOT have our best interests in mind and only want something, usually $$$$$$$$$. Why not be on speaking terms with a rattlesnake, a snake who can help in certain situations all the while being fully aware that the snake is ready,willing and able to turn and bite YOU as well if the situation arises?
It's called using people, it has/does happen all the time.
We had normal relations with Russia until they invaded another country and sparked a pseudo invasion of a second country. Are you guys just now forgetting that we initiated this "hostility" as a result of his invasions? This isn't something that came up out of the blue we decided that we were going to isolate Russia and try to cripple them for ****s and giggles. They broke International treaties and norms and the sanctions are the results.
oh please
we had had relations and tensions with Russia for decades
remember under bush and the beginning of Obama's admins with US/NATO wanting to put a missile umbrella in the country of Georgia (not the state (little side not, my MIL was asking back then "why are there Russians in Georgia (she was thinking the State)))
it is the affect of the Trumpnosys - if T declares it is good-- they all awe,, and say it is good! he says it is bigly-- they all say yes it is is bigly--
it is the affect of the Trumpnosys - if T declares it is good-- they all awe,, and say it is good! he says it is bigly-- they all say yes it is is bigly--
With all due respect, you haven't contributed ANYTHING in this thread.
All you are capable of doing is demonizing people who want nothing but a more stable world.
I know a LOT OF clear thinking liberals who also want a working relationship with the Russians. The last thing they want is a war with them.
Can we PLEASE for a second stop demonizing each other. Left vs right, Trumponosys (whatever that means) vs people like you.
It is not that simple.
Your brave husband was a veteran who passed away, correct? well, I respect him 100%. I don't want to see unnecessary war anymore. Like it or not, admit it or not, we are all in this TOGETHER.
War with the Chinese, war with the Russians, war with middle east. What for? The world hates us, and we are not winning. How about spending money on our own people. Let them handling their own businesses for a change.
Russia is not our ally and also not Trump's ally. Putin is making the best of a bad situation, he would have been far happier had Hillary been elected. If he can weaken the US by helping ouster Trump, he wins.
we had had relations and tensions with Russia for decades
remember under bush and the beginning of Obama's admins with US/NATO wanting to put a missile umbrella in the country of Georgia (not the state (little side not, my MIL was asking back then "why are there Russians in Georgia (she was thinking the State)))
What do tensions and normal relations have a damn thing to do with each other?
Russia had the normal relations with the works until they screwed it up by invading 2 countries. They were sanctions-free. They could trade freely. Their assets were under their control. So swallow that tensions argument for all I care bc it doesn't mean a gd thing.
Whether or not Russia is an ally depends on the nature of US geo-political strategy.
If you want to continue on the path of murder, destruction, and the funding of fundamentalist groups, than Russia is not an ally.
For example, it was imperative for the last administration, in particular, your blood thirsty secretary of state, to oust Russia out of Syria to gain complete hegemony in the region, so that the US can continue stealing without obstruction.
Why are we in Syria? Because Assad rejected the petro-dollar. Qatar and Iran share the largest gas field in the world. Qatar, a US ally, approached Assad with a deal where a pipeline would be run from Qatar, through Saudi Arabia, and through Syria, to be offloaded in Turkey and sold in USD.
In contrast, the Iranian's deal would run the pipeline through northern Iraq and offloaded in Syria, with the help of the Russians for development. Assad took this deal. Of course, it is highly unlikely that the product will be sold in USD, which is exactly why the US decided to intervene in Syria.
Additionally, the intention was to remove the Russians from the region, since Russia has a forward operating base in Syria.
It managed to do this two ways. Kerry had a meeting with Saudi's just prior to massive production increases, with the likely intention of destroying Russian's economy. It worked in the sense that the ruble, which is highly correlated to the broad oil index depreciated at roughly the same rate as crude.
Unfortunately, the US underestimated the Russian's resiliency, as the "Russian problem" did not go away. Worse, the dollar is highly inversely correlated with the broad oil index, which means the dollar appreciated in value by roughly the same percentage that crude depreciated.
Why is this important? For one, it makes it more difficult for US exporters to sell their products. Two, the Russians pay their debt in rubles, but they sell oil in USD. What does this mean? It means Russian oil giant Rosneft is profiting, resulting in a record high stock price.
Now, because of the idiotic foreign policy of your last several administrations, and in particular the boneheaded Kerry move, you now have a massive liquidity crises on the horizon due to the inability for your tight oil producers to make a profit. It's not just the approximately $500 billion high yield energy loans at stake, or the entire $1.9 trillion junk bond market, but the trillions of dollars of derivatives designed to mitigate risk, that will actually likely be the catalyst to crashing the entire financial system.
Russia is only your enemy if American's want to continue on the same path to their inevitable destruction by forcing the petro-dollar on the world market. The problem is that if US citizens grow a heart or a brain or whatever they need to grow in order for them to not support murder, eventually the demand for USD will go down, resulting in significant inflation if the US doesn't learn to handle its debt problem.
So yes, Russia is an enemy if you support murder and destruction because you want to continue an unsustainable lifestyle that requires at least 5.5 earth's worth of resources to sustain.
TBH I'm more worried about Obama/Hillary's people than I am about Russia.
Well, it's simple and easy - pretty much the way Trumplets like their politics.
While no one thinks we should go to war with Russia - Trump's antagonizing of our allies like Australia and constant, unwavering praise of Putin and Russia have raised eyebrows since his campaign days and now during his administration.
WHY is Trump so willing to demonize his fellow Americans but never, ever, criticize Russia or Putin?
Why is Trump so willing to shout from the rooftops that he despises the UN but will never, ever criticize Russia?
Why is Trump willing to criticize SNL but not Russia?
Why does Trump tweet about Nordstrom but never, ever criticize Russia?
That's is what is concerning ~ combined with suspicions of Flynn and Manafort and their clear involvement with Russia during the campaign.
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they all awe,, and say it is good!
he says it is bigly-- they all say yes it is is bigly-
