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Old 03-16-2017, 08:04 AM
 
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i'm so confused by this whole process. There is an angle I'm missing or the Republicans are as incompetent as some of those extremists on the left are saying.

So they come up with a bill that they most certainly must have known the Democrats would scream at but also that half of their politicians and supporters would have trouble with.

Why do that? What purpose does it serve? It became very clear that Trump & gang realized that the new plan was dead in the water when they asked for it to not be called TRUMPcare and started to clearly identify it as Paul Ryan's bill.

I don't get it. Republicans bitched for 7 years about the Affordable Healthcare Act. They had plenty of time to identify the biggest shortcomings and contemplate some kind of solution. And they can only come up with a bill that will definitely not go anywhere.

I think there is so much to fix with the present ACT. If repeal and then replace is the way they want to do it -- fine...but before you repeal you better have a replace that is really better than the existing and not just different. Different act with different problems doesn't prove anything except all the Republicans were was a great opposition party objecting to everything -- with no real solutions.

 
Old 03-16-2017, 08:15 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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The establishment republicans owe too many favors and are beholden to pharma, insurance, etc. They are comfortable, and don't wish to step outside the box.

We, the people are not the #1 priority for them.

There are those who do see us as the priority, but they are having an uphill battle.
 
Old 03-16-2017, 08:38 AM
 
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i'm so confused by this whole process. There is an angle I'm missing or the Republicans are as incompetent as some of those extremists on the left are saying.

So they come up with a bill that they most certainly must have known the Democrats would scream at but also that half of their politicians and supporters would have trouble with.

Why do that? What purpose does it serve? It became very clear that Trump & gang realized that the new plan was dead in the water when they asked for it to not be called TRUMPcare and started to clearly identify it as Paul Ryan's bill.

I don't get it. Republicans bitched for 7 years about the Affordable Healthcare Act. They had plenty of time to identify the biggest shortcomings and contemplate some kind of solution. And they can only come up with a bill that will definitely not go anywhere.

I think there is so much to fix with the present ACT. If repeal and then replace is the way they want to do it -- fine...but before you repeal you better have a replace that is really better than the existing and not just different. Different act with different problems doesn't prove anything except all the Republicans were was a great opposition party objecting to everything -- with no real solutions.
The angle you might be missing is that most conservative HC solutions are not in favor of the poor, elderly, and those with pre-exisiting. And that includes many Trump voters.
 
Old 03-16-2017, 08:54 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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The angle you might be missing is that most conservative HC solutions are not in favor of the poor, elderly, and those with pre-exisiting. And that includes many Trump voters.
That's not what Trump campaigned on and was elected on. He promised to look out for these groups and Trump voters are counting on it.

It's the entrenched politicians who are not in favor.
 
Old 03-16-2017, 09:44 AM
 
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I do believe everyone deserves a "safety net" but it should have a time limit: 6 months, 1 year. After the time limit you'll need to show you're making an effort to get employment. Is that so unreasonable?

This thread is about health insurance. You want to throw someone off health insurance after 6 months or 1 year?

What if they are 63 years old and started collecting social security retirement income at 62 because they can't work any longer because their body is broken down from hard work such as coal mining.

With Ryancare, their monthly health insurance premium would be approx $1000/mo(since Ryancare increases premiums for older people).

You want to throw them off insurance and don't give them any tax credit at all toward the $1000/mo insurance premium? Maybe Ryan care shouldn't have massively increased premiums for older people, and then maybe they can afford the premium.

Ryancare almost doubled the monthly premiums for older people compared to ACA. Lots of these people are already retired.
 
Old 03-16-2017, 09:52 AM
 
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That's not what Trump campaigned on and was elected on. He promised to look out for these groups and Trump voters are counting on it.

It's the entrenched politicians who are not in favor.
Right.

The conservative solutions to HC (from the entrenched), do not necessarily jive with Trumpsters.

Trumpsters could be voting against their best economic interest in favor of their ideology.

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Old 03-16-2017, 12:13 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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How's making $250k being part of the 1%, especially in high-cost areas like NYC or SF?


Takes about $520K to be in the top 1% in the nation. $250K would be in the top 10%, though. Probably top 5%.


The CoL for your specific location has nothing to do with national averages for income, obviously.
 
Old 03-16-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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That's not what Trump campaigned on and was elected on. He promised to look out for these groups and Trump voters are counting on it.

It's the entrenched politicians who are not in favor.
Why, then, is Trump actively promoting the GOP's proposed plan? When he knows those groups are going to get screwed by this plan?
 
Old 03-16-2017, 03:21 PM
 
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Why, then, is Trump actively promoting the GOP's proposed plan? When he knows those groups are going to get screwed by this plan?
Trump has a desire to please everyone according to Mike Bloomberg. Most likely Trump doesn't know much about the plan, or about the HC needs of America.
 
Old 03-16-2017, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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What's a safety net? An iPhone 7? Free Cable? 50" HDTV? Where do you draw the line? I do believe everyone deserves a "safety net" but it should have a time limit: 6 months, 1 year. After the time limit you'll need to show you're making an effort to get employment. Is that so unreasonable?
People who advocate for nonsense just want to rub the shame of being poor in someone's face..makes ya feel so good to torment people like that, doesn't it? Of course it never crossed your mind that someone might be on medicaid because they were laid off, or because they are temporarily disabled did it? It seems really odd that you would think that people quit their jobs so they can lay around and get medicaid.
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