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Old 03-21-2017, 01:10 AM
 
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Because the question is designed for me to put down black people that you don't particularly care for. I don't play that game. If you don't like Sharpton or Jackson, that's your right.

Again, i said what i said about churches ripping people off to the tune of billions. This is about a systemic problem in the community. If you have evidence that Jackson or Sharpton have done something wrong relative to fiduciary matters (ripping black people off), then present it. I'll comment on those charges.

But am i gonna call them hucksters? Uhh...no. Well, not to you anyway.
It's not a game. You said christianity has been a negative force in the black community. It was the oppressors religion to render the black population docile and it has produced nothing but hucksters. If so, then what about the people I listed? They're ordained ministers and are pretty wealthy now.

By your logic just being a pastor is akin to hucksterism and ripping black people off because Christianity is a superstition given to black people by the oppressor to keep them docile and whatnot. You openly call Creflo a huckster but what about the two I listed who are just as well off?
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:37 AM
 
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Maybe only one....i don't know. Probably a lot more than one. But how many have Bentleys, Mansions, helicopters, Rolls Royces, etc...it ain't about who has a jet. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Again, i have the approximate tithing numbers. My people are getting ripped off, and i resent it and i want the people that nakedly perpetrate this crap to have their tax exempt status revoked. Now.

This crap right here infuriates me...and he's far from an isolated case:

this is why EVERYONE needs to do a little research on potential churches and reverends. and therein lies the problem, people are easily sucked in, in general.
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:19 AM
 
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Really? Give me an example of other black institutions that African Americans could use to congregate UNFETTERED by white authorities? The Kiwanis club?
About anywhere.
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:23 AM
 
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The church was there during slavery? LMAO...you kidding me? What church? The main churches in the south were PRO-Slavery, and thought that slavery was a divine right. Yeah, church was there during slavery alright. That's the problem.
Believe it or not there were actually churches in the North during this time.
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:29 AM
 
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Because the question is designed for me to put down black people that you don't particularly care for. I don't play that game. If you don't like Sharpton or Jackson, that's your right.
That's exactly what you are doing, just not using specific names. Not only that, you are just making stuff up to demean them as a whole guilty or not.

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Again, i said what i said about churches ripping people off to the tune of billions. This is about a systemic problem in the community. If you have evidence that Jackson or Sharpton have done something wrong relative to fiduciary matters (ripping black people off), then present it. I'll comment on those charges.

But am i gonna call them hucksters? Uhh...no. Well, not to you anyway.
Your charges have been vague, general and mostly hyperbole.

To be specific. Sharpton doesn't pay his taxes. This is money that goes to help the poor in communities all around the country, in some cases black families.
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Old 03-21-2017, 10:35 PM
 
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That doesn't just happen to black people though. It happens to people of all colors. This isn't a black specific issue. You know you guys accuse white people of being eurocentric in all their thinking but when it comes to issues it seems you're thinking a bit too afro-centric, no? I mean black people are experiencing no more an issue than white people and hispanic people are when it comes to hucksters in religious robes.
It's black specific because that's the group I care about.
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It's not a game. You said christianity has been a negative force in the black community. It was the oppressors religion to render the black population docile and it has produced nothing but hucksters. If so, then what about the people I listed? They're ordained ministers and are pretty wealthy now.

By your logic just being a pastor is akin to hucksterism and ripping black people off because Christianity is a superstition given to black people by the oppressor to keep them docile and whatnot. You openly call Creflo a huckster but what about the two I listed who are just as well off?
Because Creflo is a known huckster.

I'm not gonna play Tom by denigrating Jackson or Sharpton. Find specific charges and I'll elaborate.

And I won't discuss Wright whatsoever.
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That's exactly what you are doing, just not using specific names. Not only that, you are just making stuff up to demean them as a whole guilty or not.



Your charges have been vague, general and mostly hyperbole.

To be specific. Sharpton doesn't pay his taxes. This is money that goes to help the poor in communities all around the country, in some cases black families.
My sentiments on Sharpton are between Sharpton and I.
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Old 03-21-2017, 10:40 PM
 
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We should end tax exemptions for all religious groups.
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Old 03-21-2017, 10:55 PM
 
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Seems we have a consensus -- all religious groups should NOT be tax exempt.

Their charitable work would reduce their taxable revenue anyways right? That's how it should work?
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Old 03-22-2017, 01:26 AM
 
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My sentiments on Sharpton are between Sharpton and I.
I'm not sure what differentiate's him from the other ministers you are lumping together with your vague complaints but whatever.
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Old 03-22-2017, 05:25 AM
 
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I'm not sure what differentiate's him from the other ministers you are lumping together with your vague complaints but whatever.
A lot differentiates him from the others in this case.

Does he run a prosperity gospel? No....among other differences.

Simply put, I'm not gonna put down Sharpton or Jackson. If you or that other poster wants that ammunition, get it from some other dude.

And my complaints aren't vague at all. In fact, they're quite clear and highly pointed. You just don't agree with it.
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