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You're drinking too much of that free market cool-aid.
Do you think education is a product or a right?
Do you think police/fire protection is a product or a right?
Do you think healthcare is a product or a right?
etc....
You have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
This does not translate to a right to have it provided to you, it merely means you have a right to seek such without others specifically impeding you from obtaining such.
The founders were clear in their explanation of this. Maybe spend bit more time reading the ratification debates, the federalist/anti-federalist papers, numerous letters/statements/articles written by the founders to understand this rather than spending all your time reading Marx and other communist idiots who have no clue.
You have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
This does not translate to a right to have it provided to you, it merely means you have a right to seek such without others specifically impeding you from obtaining such.
The founders were clear in their explanation of this. Maybe spend bit more time reading the ratification debates, the federalist/anti-federalist papers, numerous letters/statements/articles written by the founders to understand this rather than spending all your time reading Marx and other communist idiots who have no clue.
Sure ok, watch the US become North Korea if we listen to your translation. You cannot even define what the pursuit of happiness entails.
You're drinking too much of that free market cool-aid.
Do you think education is a product or a right?
Do you think police/fire protection is a product or a right?
Do you think healthcare is a product or a right?
etc....
When you look closely at healthcare whether it be as a product or a service, the competitive power is so heavily skewed towards the suppliers of healthcare and against the purchasers/users that it looks like the suppliers have effective monopoly power.
Much of that has nothing to do with the government and more to do with prohibitive cost of entry for new competitors, control of resources by the suppliers, lack of experience/skills/knowledge by the buyers and imminent need by buyers (e.g. an emergency) which overrides cost concerns.
One of the reasons that healthcare is cheaper in UHC countries is because government legislates to mitigate the impact of that monopoly power.
When you look closely at healthcare whether it be as a product or a service, the competitive power is so heavily skewed towards the suppliers of healthcare and against the purchasers/users that it looks like the suppliers have effective monopoly power.
Much of that has nothing to do with the government and more to do with prohibitive cost of entry for new competitors, control of resources by the suppliers, lack of experience/skills/knowledge by the buyers and imminent need by buyers (e.g. an emergency) which overrides cost concerns.
One of the reasons that healthcare is cheaper in UHC countries is because government legislates to mitigate the impact of that monopoly power.
1) government is what makes those costs prohibitive through regulation, fees, taxes, licensing, etc....
2) UHC is not "cheaper" because what you are doing is failing to account for the government cost itself.
It is like claiming Solar to be cheaper because you ignored the fact that government picked up a large part of the bill.
UHC is NOT cheaper, it just pushes the cost on to government which doesn't balance it budget and doesn't have to account for loss. This is why the "figures" promoting socialized medicine are devious at best, and out right lying at worst.
You have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
This does not translate to a right to have it provided to you, it merely means you have a right to seek such without others specifically impeding you from obtaining such.
The founders were clear in their explanation of this. Maybe spend bit more time reading the ratification debates, the federalist/anti-federalist papers, numerous letters/statements/articles written by the founders to understand this rather than spending all your time reading Marx and other communist idiots who have no clue.
Are you a professor of American History of the Federalist period perchance?
1) government is what makes those costs prohibitive through regulation, fees, taxes, licensing, etc....
2) UHC is not "cheaper" because what you are doing is failing to account for the government cost itself.
It is like claiming Solar to be cheaper because you ignored the fact that government picked up a large part of the bill.
UHC is NOT cheaper, it just pushes the cost on to government which doesn't balance it budget and doesn't have to account for loss. This is why the "figures" promoting socialized medicine are devious at best, and out right lying at worst.
UHC takes out the middleman. Let's use those dollars for caring for our Fellow Americans.
1) government is what makes those costs prohibitive through regulation, fees, taxes, licensing, etc....
2) UHC is not "cheaper" because what you are doing is failing to account for the government cost itself.
It is like claiming Solar to be cheaper because you ignored the fact that government picked up a large part of the bill.
UHC is NOT cheaper, it just pushes the cost on to government which doesn't balance it budget and doesn't have to account for loss. This is why the "figures" promoting socialized medicine are devious at best, and out right lying at worst.
1. You don't want doctors and nurses to be licensed or drugs properly tested?
2. Per capita cost in UHC countries is cheaper than per capita cost in the USA and they have much more government regulation.
3. UHC does not have to be 'socialized'. It isn't in Germany or Switzerland.
1) government is what makes those costs prohibitive through regulation, fees, taxes, licensing, etc....
2) UHC is not "cheaper" because what you are doing is failing to account for the government cost itself.
It is like claiming Solar to be cheaper because you ignored the fact that government picked up a large part of the bill.
UHC is NOT cheaper, it just pushes the cost on to government which doesn't balance it budget and doesn't have to account for loss. This is why the "figures" promoting socialized medicine are devious at best, and out right lying at worst.
False. It is pretty easy to find the numbers that represent the TOTAL health spending.
When you look closely at healthcare whether it be as a product or a service, the competitive power is so heavily skewed towards the suppliers of healthcare and against the purchasers/users that it looks like the suppliers have effective monopoly power.
Much of that has nothing to do with the government and more to do with prohibitive cost of entry for new competitors, control of resources by the suppliers, lack of experience/skills/knowledge by the buyers and imminent need by buyers (e.g. an emergency) which overrides cost concerns.
One of the reasons that healthcare is cheaper in UHC countries is because government legislates to mitigate the impact of that monopoly power.
Excellent observation and Ken Arrow agreed with you! The asymmetry of information is narrowing, but still heavily in favor of the insurance and provider side.
This is why the doc and other HC providers must necessarily place the patients best interests before their own. Not useful enough or easy enough with free markets in HC. As opposed to markets in silk stockings, refrigerators or residential landscaping.
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