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Old 03-27-2017, 06:51 AM
 
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The GOP is on life support if they can't use all the power they have. The Tea Party was the beginning of the end for the GOP. The Freedom Caucus is being held hostage by the evangelical right wing and will say no to anything the party of Satan asks for ,therefore the GOP can't govern because you have to negotiate. As long as there is a group in Washington whose purse strings are pulled by doing what God wants them to do its over for the GOP.

What will compound the problem is Trump doesn't have the legislative stamina to be successful. He is the perfect Republican to follow an Obama administration. The political will, acumen, stamina and skill it will take to unravel some of Obama's accomplishment is not possessed by Donald Trump.
This same thing was said and then the GOP took the House, then the Senate and now the White House. He's already started unraveling the funding for Obamacare.

When do you suppose we will get a counter that people can support as opposed to failed rhetoric?
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Old 03-27-2017, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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How does that work? Giving money to the states but keeping the Federal government out of it?
The Price plan is to just give block grants to the states, free markets will lower costs and they will live happily ever after.
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Old 03-27-2017, 06:59 AM
 
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The Price plan is to just give block grants to the states, free markets will lower costs and they will live happily ever after.
You can't do that without the Federal Government being involved. It would also likely be ruled as unConstitutional as not all would get equal treatment.
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Old 03-27-2017, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You can't do that without the Federal Government being involved. It would also likely be ruled as unConstitutional as not all would get equal treatment.
There is a lawsuit by the states pending appeal regarding subsidizing low income. The funds were not allocated by congress, funny that some are now see this as a solution.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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How does that work? Giving money to the states but keeping the Federal government out of it?
We know there are people who are poor and have no insurance. Always been that way. Now we have been invaded by anchor babies and illegals. Guess what drove health care costs up?

States always had to deal with it. Keep it out of the Federal government. Their job is to protect and defend.

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Old 03-27-2017, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Medicare for all will never happen. The next plan will be less gov't empowering than ACA, as it should be, not more as you want.
And we'll be back where we were with price hikes and patients being denied for pre-existing conditions as well as gender discrimination (ie: women pay more just because they are women.)
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The Price plan is to just give block grants to the states, free markets will lower costs and they will live happily ever after.
The free market got us into the mess that ObamaCare tried to solve. Medicare for all is the only option.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The free market got us into the mess that ObamaCare tried to solve. Medicare for all is the only option.
I don't disagree with you but in the meantime ACA remains, even if they decide next month it will take years to put another plan in place but for now Trump needs to support this. Medicare is looking more like a solution after this fiasco but the two parties would need to work together to get to that point.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I don't disagree with you but in the meantime ACA remains, even if they decide next month it will take years to put another plan in place but for now Trump needs to support this. Medicare is looking more like a solution after this fiasco but the two parties would need to work together to get to that point.
Except if there are Freedom Caucus and other TEA party opposition, especially in the Senate.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:48 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Reading this article, I was amazed that grown people in congress would be playing games that most of us outgrew after Kindergarten. This so-called Freedom Caucus made a pact among themselves, that no one of them would make a commitment to vote to pass the ACA legislation, unless they consulted with the group and had their permission.

I wonder how the constituents of these individuals feel, when they realize their interests are not being represented, but rather those of an independent, renegade group, with its own, contrary agenda. Their jobs are supposed to be to promote the well-being of their own constituents and also those of the country as a whole. I don't like any of these self-organized coalitions, that are attempts to gain more power for the self-interests of these politicians.

How a secret Freedom Caucus pact brought down Obamacare repeal - POLITICO
Why is this a bad thing? I don't care who blocked it: blocking a bad bill is a good thing.
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