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Old 05-11-2017, 05:19 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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"Each of these cities is among the largest in America and arguably has some of the worst metrics. Three of the eight are leading cities for murders; four have the highest crime rates, four have managed to make the Forbes "Most Miserable Cities" list, and at least two are at economic risk.

...It is worth noting that each of these cities has large — and largely poor — black communities. Many African Americans, sold on the concept that the Democrats represent the little guy, have consistently helped get these Democrats elected. I would ask the black voters of these cities to seriously question whether they believe their lives have been materially improved since their grandparents lived there."
Urban America should give up on the Democrats - Baltimore Sun
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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That changes the fact that Chicago's, etc., shooters and killers vote Dem, how?
It doesn't change anything, but correlation does not imply causation.

People who break the law by shooting other people aren't often waiting at the polls on election day. Just sayin...

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My guess is if I had to take a stab at it is that roughly most violent crime is committed by inner city minorities and most minorities vote Democrat, ergo the individuals who are "shooters and killers" are the same individuals who largely vote democrat.

I am guessing that is where he is taking this.
Yeah, that's exactly what he's going for. It's a dangerous game to play. The last time I was at the polls, I didn't see any thugs.

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Election results.

Look at how these areas voted:

http://www.huffpost.com/us/entry/8044300
Once again, you are showing election results for an entire city. Saying "look at how the thugs in Chicago voted" after looking at the entire city would be like saying "look at how the racist neanderthal rednecks voted" after looking at the entire city of Dallas, TX. It's completely illogical because it implies an entire city is made up of thugs or rednecks.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:54 AM
 
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Because most rich Liberals and rich people in general are cheap and selfish as all hell. They'd rather buy a new mansion, sports car or yacht, then complain about being aggrieved in some way.
How many do you know?
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Born & Raised DC > Carolinas > Seattle > Denver
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All the conservatives should pool their money together to help pay for the billions it costs for all those rural, poor Trump voters living off of disability...
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:57 AM
 
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It doesn't change anything, but correlation does not imply causation.

People who break the law by shooting other people aren't often waiting at the polls on election day. Just sayin...
If they're not, their family, friends, and neighbors ARE. Just sayin... Those urban Dem mayors and city councils don't elect themselves.
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Old 05-11-2017, 07:00 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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I hope "Informed" Consent isn't that uninformed because that is some absolutely faulty thinking.

According to this data
The population of Chicago is about 2.8 million.
About 74% (or 2.1 million) of which are of legal voting age

According to this
About 890,000 Chicagoans voted for Hillary
And 133,000 voted for Trump
That's a total of 1,023,000 people who voted.

Deduct 1,023,000 people who voted from 2.1 million people of voting age and that leaves about 1,080,000 who didn't vote at all - compared to 1,023,000 who voted and 890,000 who voted Democrat.

This rudimentary look shows that it's most likely that any given citizen of Chicago didn't vote Democrat nor Republican, but did not vote at all.


So, if "Informed" Consent has any evidence that the "shooters and killers" were more likely to have come from the minority of Chicagoans who voted Democrat, than the majority who did not vote at all, let him present it here.
You would also have to take into account the foreign-born population and the percent that are ineligible to vote.
(Though I suspect a significant portion of the shooters and killers are ineligible to vote, though not foreign born.)

The other assumption you are making is that the same people vote every election. 1,105,998 voted in 2008, for example, so clearly some people voted that election that did not vote this past election.
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Old 05-11-2017, 07:46 AM
 
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If they're not, their family, friends, and neighbors ARE. Just sayin... Those urban Dem mayors and city councils don't elect themselves.
"If they're not"? So you've gone back on your unsupported claim that the "shooters and killers" voted Democrat?
If so, that's the most informed thing I've seen from you in this thread.
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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"If they're not"? So you've gone back on your unsupported claim that the "shooters and killers" voted Democrat?
"If they're not" implies nothing more than a possibility that they're not. The FACT remains that violent inner-cities do indeed serially elect Democrats for mayor and city council. And those Dems are doing didly squat to help their electorate.
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:23 AM
 
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"If they're not" implies nothing more than a possibility that they're not.
So, a step in the right direction, from this comment
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That changes the fact that Chicago's, etc., shooters and killers vote Dem, how?
Good on you for adjusting your stance based on new evidence (well, based on some evidence as opposed to zero evidence at all).
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:49 AM
 
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Good on you for adjusting your stance based on new evidence (well, based on some evidence as opposed to zero evidence at all).
Not sure what you're smoking... There is no evidence whatsoever that they don't vote Dem. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Urban inner-cities serially elect Dem mayors and city councils. What do they get for that? Ever more poverty and violence.
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