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We already have socialized military, police, fire, schools etc.
I suppose we should stop funding the Army because it's a social program?
Not stop funding it completely...just fund it by choice.
And really, that would prevent massive military spending, overseas campaigns, and the whole bloated system. It's been said that a government can't start and maintain wars without the ability to take it's citizens' resources by force, because almost no one would support all the things they're doing by choice.
True. And after this election, I'm speaking for my tribe. If my vote counts for less than a voter in Wyoming, then I am more than happy to pay for our social costs as long as that money stays in our blue state/blue region. I could see Washington, Oregon and California becoming more region-centric.
That's fine, but then I have to ask you this: why is it ok for you to be tribalistic, but it's not ok for other people (like rural West Virginians?)
That might be the dopiest thing I've read on CD for awhile.
Tell me, why is it that those evil Hollywood-types make significant contributions to organizations such as UNICEF or Planned Parenthood? Things like Farm-Aid and the Katrina disaster? Because they feel starving African children and Iowa farmers are their kind?
Why was I cutting five figure checks to Feeding America when my refrigerator was full and in all probability a good percentage of the recipients of those food bank donations are Trump voters?
You're welcome to play politics with human misfortune, but don't project that on those of us that simply make an attempt to fill a need.
There's a difference between voluntary contribution to charity and taxation for social programs.
People are often willing to help out if they feel they are helping voluntarily, but as soon as they are taxed, most people aren't so keen on helping out anymore. Not too many people complain about the Red Cross or the United Way, but look what happens when we debate immigration, accepting refugees, and universal healthcare.
There's a difference between voluntary contribution to charity and taxation for social programs.
People are often willing to help out if they feel they are helping voluntarily, but as soon as they are taxed, most people aren't so keen on helping out anymore. Not too many people complain about the Red Cross or the United Way, but look what happens when we debate immigration, accepting refugees, and universal healthcare.
I actually agree with you here. People don't like others controlling them and deciding who their money goes to.
This really baffles me. We have loads and loads of rich liberals including Warren Buffett, Tim Cook, Bill Gates, Emma Stone, Patricia Arquette, Meryl Streep etc. etc. etc.
Why don't they just pool their money together and create a fund to pay for all their liberal ideas such as health care, refugees, illegal immigrants, equal pay etc. etc. etc.?
Wouldn't that solve more problems than all the bickering?
Why don't we have all Trump supporters pay taxes to JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs instead of the government. We'll totally cut them off and they'll be slaves to the corporations.
That's fine, but then I have to ask you this: why is it ok for you to be tribalistic, but it's not ok for other people (like rural West Virginians?)
It's not. I have no problem with West Virginians being tribalistic as long as they pay for themselves. Almost 10% of West Virginia is on Social Security Disability. I pay for that. Let them pay for themselves and they can be as tribalistic as they want. That is a perfect example actually.
It's not. I have no problem with West Virginians being tribalistic as long as they pay for themselves. Almost 10% of West Virginia is on Social Security Disability. I pay for that. Let them pay for themselves and they can be as tribalistic as they want. That is a perfect example actually.
That's perfectly fine IMHO, but isn't that more of a Republican/conservative idea?
It's bizarre to have people who identify as Republican/conservative using government programs like Disability, Medicaid, SSI, etc.
It's also bizarre to have self-identified Democrats/liberals complaining about paying taxes for government programs for the poor.
That's perfectly fine IMHO, but isn't that more of a Republican/conservative idea?
It's bizarre to have people who identify as Republican/conservative using government programs like Disability, Medicaid, SSI, etc.
It's also bizarre to have self-identified Democrats/liberals complaining about paying taxes for government programs for the poor.
One would think that but no. The title of this thread says it all. Liberals have no problem paying for social programs. What we deeply resent is paying for those programs that benefit people who complain about those programs while taking those programs!
Look at what TrumpCare does to rural and older Americans. It increases costs up to five times the amount younger Americans pay. Why? Because Obamacare reduced those costs for older Americans. Did older Americans appreciate that? Nope, they voted for Trump.* So now, Trump will increase their costs and they will probably be just fine with it. Before it was socialism. So what happens is we end up paying for these programs, they partake of the programs then vote against the programs. See the problem?
Let blue states create programs that benefit blue state voters and let blue states restrict those benefits to blue states and have the ability to create very lengthy residency requirements so they aren't paying for red state refugees.
Spot on. Really, this country is so completely split. I would love to have blue states operate independently of red states.
Spot on what?
Tax break means not taking tax from people. How do they pool their money together to NOT take tax from people?
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