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Healthcare has NEVER been a natural human right or any kind of a human right. If it were a right, the cavemen and cave women would have had healthcare.
But it isn't the right to healthcare the OP seeks. What the OP seeks is the right to receive healthcare at the expense of someone else. This has never been a right. No one is entitled to or has a right to demand the product of the labor of someone else without paying for it at an agreed upon price. To say this isn't true would be in support of servitude or flat out slavery.
If we want to go down this silly little path, many prehistoric human tribes had medicine men and women and shamans who probably relied on bartering goods and services for treatment.
your supporting premise was that of the doctors oath.
So, in logical format it is an if P, then Q format of logic.
So, P= your supporting premise and Q= your conclusion.
So..
Because of the doctors Oath, health care is a right.
This is the logical position of your argument.
Now, how does the "oath" support the conclusion that health care is a right?
If health care is a right, it is owned, it requires no payment, it is deserved, free from requirement.
So, again...
in your supporting premise of "the Oath", where does it support the fact that the doctor has to provide health care and pay for it as well?
I am asking you to logically form your argument here.
Or is your next response going to yet again be "boo hoo, I say what I say because words are what I say" as if somehow that validates your claim?
Wrong again. You have an amazing ability to misunderstand practically everything people say.
You'd look better cutting the childish personal remarks from your posts.
I said when doctors take the oath they put themselves in a position where their services can be considered a right.
Does that mean it becomes a legal right in the eyes of the US courts? Obviously not.
In US, the system can tell keep the patients from seeing the doctors, in which case the treatment is denied. In other countries there is no such layer between doctors and patients and the doctors are able to honor the oath they have taken, and in that sense it is as good as a right for the patients. They can count on it.
All this went a mile over your head, and instead if discussing your bicker and sling childish personal attacks. The requirement for LE and military to perform their jobs to the best of their abilities also went a mile over your head. In your utopian eyes you think "liberty" means they can pick and choose whether or not they want to do their jobs.
Like most normal people, I would share what I had with the other person rather than letting them die. Why were they not helping? Are they injured, or in shock? Some people are better in a crisis situation and some freeze or give up quickly. I would give them a chance and if they were useless I still would share with them. At that point since survival depends on me I would get the best of the food, etc. If the other guy tried stealing from me we would have a problem.
With welfare, food stamps, disability, social security, etc. in US we decided we would not just let poor people die. There was a gap when it came to health insurance, we patched it up a little and now we are ripping it open again and people will die.
I completely agree with you, and I would also offer to help for a limited time. Here's the key thing...
We are helping them by choice in that scenario, not by force. That is the distinction between a free market and socialized medicine (or socialized anything). The collectivist (socialist, communist, or whatever else) version is that they force you to to give up those things because the other person has a "right" to them.
This alt righters like to throw around the word "freedom" to really say the want the poor to stay poor and they hate social movility and social justice.
Are you really free if you were born in a slum with 8 brothers and sisters a violent father who killed your mom and you need to go get your own food outside of home when you are 3 because otherwise you die??
Oh yes, really free you are!!
Notice the multiple fallacies in these types of posts...
Appeal to Emotion (using poor abused children in a slum)
Equivocation (subtle changing of a definition - freedom, in this case)
Straw man/Non sequitur (those against socialized medicine want the poor to stay poor and hate social mobility)
Also referring to us as "alt-righters"...another poster did that earlier too. It reminds me of when I was in college and someone mentioned something slightly libertarian and another student was like "You Tea Partiers blah blah blah"...
I completely agree with you, and I would also offer to help for a limited time. Here's the key thing...
We are helping them by choice in that scenario, not by force. That is the distinction between a free market and socialized medicine (or socialized anything). The collectivist (socialist, communist, or whatever else) version is that they force you to to give up those things because the other person has a "right" to them.
The scenario given was one in which the person had the choice of helping the other. If it was dictated I had to give up so much to help them survive I still understand that. We really haven't established why the other person is not contributing, if they are unable for some reason. The real world is much more complex and many more questions and obstacles, where people can easily slip into poverty and be unable to climb out. Getting sicker because no health care only increases nonproductivity and poverty.
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