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So if you as a child grew up in excruciating pain because of no health care,
you think you would still have the same view as you have now?
The only times in my life I've suffered excruciating pain, both as a child & as an adult, were actions medical doctors inflicted on me, including several times Malpractice.
As a healthcare worker, yes I do.
And in the most developed nation on Earth, there's no excuse for it not to be guaranteed to everyone here.
1. Where is that 'guaranteed health-care' in the Bill of Rights?
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2. as a professional I worked in the US-system of 'health-care' (actually 'sick management'), &
its history is alarming to anyone with an ounce of morality still left.
No. Heath care is not a basic human right. Is food a basic human right? Is shelter a basic human right? If you think so, then why are you not petitioning Congress and the President to provide universal food budgets and universal housing?
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the only human rights and I bet you don't even believe that life is a human right.
...any your insurance pays??? Unless you pay full price out of pocket, you don't have an argument.
I'm talking about a single payer system, not the current insurance system.
In single payer, the payer gets it's money from the taxpayers whether they consent or not.
Again, how much of my labor belongs to you?
And BTW, thanks to Obamacare, my insurance company did away with all copays..... so yes, until I hit my now quadrupled deductible, I pay for 100% of my healthcare out of pocket.
Questions to ponder for those who oppose Obamacare or single payer down the road:
Why hasn't some brilliant free market capitalist come up with a "free market solution" that drives down costs?
Why do we allow massive insurance companies to dominate the marketplace?
Why can't Medicare/Medicaid/Tricare negotiate prices on prescription drugs?
Why do we allow profit driven companies to own hospitals? Wouldn't not for profit be a better way?
Sorry but that is a false question. The state and federal government regulate the insurance industry so much that there is no such thing as a free market solution to insurance.
If you really wanted to see that happen, you would seek the smallest amount of government intervention into the insurance industry to allow for such innovation to occur.
In primitive societies, when someone was sick, did the elders sit and ponder whether the sick person was entitled to a visit by the shaman or medicine man? No. Do they say "Oh, that person was unwise and didn't save up enough wealth to pay the medicine man so let them die." No, because that person's health and welfare was a concern of the community. Do they complain about the burden of keeping the medicine man available for everyone in the community or the effort it takes to train a new medicine man? No -- it is a given that people have the right to get needed healthcare and that there needs to be a system to provide healthcare TO EVERYONE simply because the community is better off when people are healthy and can be productive and supportive of the whole. So yes, everyone is entitled, by right, to healthcare. That is a basic right going back to primitive societies and it is sad and ridiculous that anyone would call that basic right into question. It isn't in the Bill of Rights or Constitution because nobody was stupid enough to question it. It was, and is, an inalienable right.
The debate should be on how we accomplish universal healthcare, not whether it is a person's right to healthcare. Third world countries have found a way to provide universal healthcare but we can't? It's shameful that we are even asking this question.
How about a truly radical idea. Eliminate the deductility of health care premiums to employers. Wipe out health insurance for all but the elderly and catastrophic diseases and conditions? That $5000 a night hospital stay would drop to $200 in no time.
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