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In primitive societies, when someone was sick, did the elders sit and ponder whether the sick person was entitled to a visit by the shaman or medicine man? No. Do they say "Oh, that person was unwise and didn't save up enough wealth to pay the medicine man so let them die." No, because that person's health and welfare was a concern of the community. Do they complain about the burden of keeping the medicine man available for everyone in the community or the effort it takes to train a new medicine man? No -- it is a given that people have the right to get needed healthcare and that there needs to be a system to provide healthcare TO EVERYONE simply because the community is better off when people are healthy and can be productive and supportive of the whole. So yes, everyone is entitled, by right, to healthcare. That is a basic right going back to primitive societies and it is sad and ridiculous that anyone would call that basic right into question. It isn't in the Bill of Rights or Constitution because nobody was stupid enough to question it. It was, and is, an inalienable right.
The debate should be on how we accomplish universal healthcare, not whether it is a person's right to healthcare. Third world countries have found a way to provide universal healthcare but we can't? It's shameful that we are even asking this question.
It's "shameful" that you think 3rd world hell holes should be models for us to copy. They are 3rd world hell holes for a reason, and CONFISCATION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY IS THAT REASON.
Last edited by Marc Paolella; 05-08-2017 at 07:38 PM..
In primitive societies, when someone was sick, did the elders sit and ponder whether the sick person was entitled to a visit by the shaman or medicine man? No. Do they say "Oh, that person was unwise and didn't save up enough wealth to pay the medicine man so let them die." No, because that person's health and welfare was a concern of the community. Do they complain about the burden of keeping the medicine man available for everyone in the community or the effort it takes to train a new medicine man? No -- it is a given that people have the right to get needed healthcare and that there needs to be a system to provide healthcare TO EVERYONE simply because the community is better off when people are healthy and can be productive and supportive of the whole. So yes, everyone is entitled, by right, to healthcare. That is a basic right going back to primitive societies and it is sad and ridiculous that anyone would call that basic right into question. It isn't in the Bill of Rights or Constitution because nobody was stupid enough to question it. It was, and is, an inalienable right.
The debate should be on how we accomplish universal healthcare, not whether it is a person's right to healthcare. Third world countries have found a way to provide universal healthcare but we can't? It's shameful that we are even asking this question.
This is the root of 90% of the debates here on CD. We disagree on what a government should do and what its basic definition is.
On one side we have the idea that a government is basically a mommy and does everything for every one of its "children."
On the other side, we have the idea of a minarchist (or nightwatchman state) government--
the notion that government has no responsibility (or right to do more) to its citizens beyond protection from foreign invasion and protection from one another (police). I tend to be far closer to the latter than the former in my philosophy.
So then, doing nothing, in your perspective is doing everything it should in my perspective. As long as I'm protected from the tyranny of the masses, that, to me is the most important thing and ends up being "everything." And that is exactly the way a republic should be governed.
Are Doctors Slaves? No. That would be wrong, as we already established.
Then they work of their own free will? Yes.
If suddenly every doctor decided to leave the field and no one was left to supply services what would the government have to do to guarantee your right to healthcare?
Why do you assume there would be no doctors and nurses to work for a lower salary or wage?
You do realize there are doctors and nurses who volunteer to work in poor places for free rights?
Anything that society deems to be of value can be funded by those who want it without government acting as the bill collector.
Given, there would probably be less services overall, but it wouldn't be the sky is falling and people dying in the streets scenario that progressive types want to paint it as.
Of course people are gonna want infrastructure, public and emergency services.
Id rather these things be non profit than ran by a business entity charging higher prices than the government.
Health care is not so much a human right, rather it a basic social service that must be in place to have a functional nation. It's a practical matter as much as a moral issue. Universal health care is essential to maintain the stability and security of the USA. Without it, we destabilize - just as we have been for decades, as inequities for the access to health care has increased. It's no accident that Japan and China have UHC - it's because those countries have 5, 10 and 20 year plans. We have a plan that extends exactly one fiscal quarter into the future.
It's "shameful" that you think 3rd world hell holes should be models for us to copy.
They are 3rd world hell holes for a reason, and CONFISCATION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY IS THAT REASON.
Thank you for stating the obvious.
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