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I'm just not that welcoming of religion at all. I don't really have a problem with Christians though even though crazy alt-right Christian whackjobs are going around stabbing people left and right, shooting up schools, flying planes into buildings. The key point is that they're crazy alt-right. The Christian part is more incidental.
Considering the majority of people in this Country are Christian and those that are not, like myself have Christian relatives its a foregone conclusion that most Christians in the country are a known quantity and very moderate. As far as Muslims go who knows, I have an Aunt converted and Im not sure where her loyaties lie. For all I know she would choose faith over family and country. Its not like she is open to even have that conversation.
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Muslims who come out to honor the victims have my full respect.
Ethnic Englishmen who take it upon themselves to make the event about the Muslim honorers are despicable.
I understand they want to support the responsible members of society these Muslims are, but it is over the top signalling, and it even falls under rubric of bigotry of low expectations.
That all members of a society, regardless of religion or worldview, come out to honor the victims of terrorism should be expected, not a reason to stroke the Muslims.
Agreed they should pay their respects but that's it.
Events certainly haven't filled me with warmth for either Muslims or the Islamic Faith.
I fully support new measures being put forward by Theresa May and some other politicians.
Considering the majority of people in this Country are Christian and those that are not, like myself have Christian relatives its a foregone conclusion that most Christians in the country are a known quantity and very moderate. As far as Muslims go who knows, I have an Aunt converted and Im not sure where her loyaties lie. For all I know she would choose faith over family and country. Its not like she is open to even have that conversation.
Rubbish we have had about the same % of muslims living in the USA for generations so we KNOW, we ABSOLUTELY KNOW they are good peaceful poeple. They are our doctors, soldiers, lawyers, bus drivers and neighbors.
LS, you are blatantly pretending to think that American Muslims might an ""unknown quantity"". They are strong excellent people and you should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to smear them by raising fake doubts.
Your posts are clearly intended to to smear muslims and raise doubts in Americans minds .
What makes them strong and excellent? Just curious. Isn't that a broad brush? What is it about believing in one particular fairy tale over another that makes a group strong and excellent?
Rubbish we have had about the same % of muslims living in the USA for generations so we KNOW, we ABSOLUTELY KNOW they are good peaceful poeple. They are our doctors, soldiers, lawyers, bus drivers and neighbors.
LS, you are blatantly pretending to think that American Muslims might an ""unknown quantity"". They are strong excellent people and you should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to smear them by raising fake doubts.
Your posts are clearly intended to to smear muslims and raise doubts in Americans minds .
Naw, only Muslims that want to bring their version of Islam that has created every Islamic Republic in the world. Only the 250 Million that cut the daughters clitoris's off on Mohammad's Birthday, then bring the practice here. Only the ones not calling for the death of people who commit Blasphemy against their Prophet.
The rest I believe are good peaceful people, especially Gay Muslims and those who are considered Apostates.
Muslims who come out to honor the victims have my full respect.
Ethnic Englishmen who take it upon themselves to make the event about the Muslim honorers are despicable.
I understand they want to support the responsible members of society these Muslims are, but it is over the top signalling, and it even falls under rubric of bigotry of low expectations.
That all members of a society, regardless of religion or worldview, come out to honor the victims of terrorism should be expected, not a reason to stroke the Muslims.
I know right? Are they to be congratulated for refraining from violence? Really? Is violence their default state, requiring effort to overcome, making this a big accomplishment??
Muslims who come out to honor the victims have my full respect.
Most of these "Muslims" are British citizens.
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Originally Posted by ABQConvict
Ethnic Englishmen who take it upon themselves to make the event about the Muslim honorers are despicable.
Not at all! Most ethnic Englishmen are quite intelligent people.
They can see the current situation and are highlighting their understanding of the other side of the coin. For example, normally, these people, who are honoring the victims, would be seen as British people honoring British victims. But times are not "normal". When someone runs someone over with a car or a van, it's a "road rage", but as soon as the media finds out that a Muslim did it, it is "Islamic terrorism".
If highlighting of "Muslims" honoring the victims is despicable then why isn't highlighting "Muslims" doing the opposite not despicable?
Many of the ethnic English people can see both sides of the coin and highlight the other side of the coin in response to those who try to highlight only the one side of coin. Why isn't it intelligent thing to do under the circumstance?
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I understand they want to support the responsible members of society these Muslims are, but it is over the top signalling, and it even falls under rubric of bigotry of low expectations.
Why would highlighting "Muslims" committing crimes not falling under the rubric of bigotry of low expectations but it is when peaceful Muslims honor the victims?
Basically, your point would be valid only if some criminals in the whole British community are not highlighted as Muslims instead of just criminals.
If some try to divide the community then it is only fair that intelligent people do something to unite the community.
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Originally Posted by ABQConvict
That all members of a society, regardless of religion or worldview, come out to honor the victims of terrorism should be expected, not a reason to stroke the Muslims.
Keeping your point in mind, do you think it is reasonable to stroke the Muslims when a small minority kill someone but not reasonable to stroke the majority Muslims when they honor the victims?
There are idiots who do not know the difference between crime and terrorism and want to enter into a scientific dialogue
Crime is an act of aggression
Crime is a component of all societies in the world
There is no society in the world that does not know crime
Crime is not just a crime of physical assault, but there are economic and moral crimes
This is a simple definition so some idiots know the difference between crime and terrorism
Therefore, the crime is neither organized nor based on a holistic ideology nor does it contain sacred texts
The ideological seal is the Word of God
So the crime is evil
The definition of terrorism
It is a combat and intellectual act of terror and intimidation of humanity and is based on an organized ideological ideology and has goals
He has followers
So terrorism is made up of ideology
The types of terrorist ideologies are numerous, including national ones
Religious ones
But the religious ideologies that support terrorism in the world are Islamic ideology
Through sacred texts and sealed in the seal it is the Word of God
And this seal makes the followers of that ideology are practicing terrorism whenever the opportunity in it
And also when they have power
Islamic thought offers the term enemies of God
To justify terrorism
So
To say that crime is equal to crime
Crime is evil and can be addressed in reformist laws
But terrorism is evil and its treatment is the root of the terrorist ideology of the world
The problem with Islam and fundamentalist Judaism is they all don't believe in Jesus, the messenger of peace.
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