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Its funny, pages of "fake news, who cares, etc etc" mixed in with "Of course we care, who doesn't?" Literally the first 3 posts are hilarious.
Look folks, Russia got heavily involved, and used technology in a way that had a massive effect unlike attempts in the past. Thats a fact. You can deny it all you want. Russia effected our election, and we have the most divisive president ever.
That doesn't make Trump illegitimate, we voted him in. Period. Theres no evidence that votes were changed.
Those saying this is normal, and like the past are wrong. This is not remotely like the past-yes the attempt is.....but the effectiveness and results are vastly different, and getting worse. Its like comparing the Russians doing a flyby of a reconnaissance plane at short range to send a message, and them firing a nuke to send a message. The technology used has changed the game.
This is vastly different. And Trump needs to take it seriously. I know he doesn't want to hear it, but he needs to deal with reality, and recognize that the Russians arent our friends. To anyone thinking this makes Trump illegitimate, you are wrong. He got elected by us picking him. And attempting to argue that this changes that is to ignore reality as well. we as a nation voted him in.
Collusion is the question of course. But there is nothing I have seen pointing towards Trump on this. His aides on the other hand may have. Dont know, but hopefully mueller figures it out.
What if his aides did collude? Then they go to prison. It doesn't change who is president either. But his attacks on the investigation may be impeachable. And if so, there is a process and the Republicans can impeach him.
Fiyero is right though, Trump was put into power by a foreign enemy. But we as a nation helped do it. We need to cope with that, and fix it for the future. And we need to have a president who is strong enough that he makes Russia regret it. We need this to stop or it will be worse every election. We need Trump to deal with this instead of thinking its some made up witch hunt. He needs to stop watching idiot talking heads on the news. They're not helping.
Republicans are not ok with it--that's why they are holding hearings and investigations.
The Republican side of those hearings is a joke. They are completely covering for Trump and trying to deflect to leaks, instead of what Russia and Trump did.
And just about every agency chief and official says that you're wrong.
Listen closely...
You Lost the election.
It's over.
No, actually every Intel agency and official says without a doubt Russian interfered in the election to elect Trump. Stop watching Fox News, you might learn something.
At least show some consistency, because if the roles were reversed, the right wing nut jobs on this board would be calling for an armed insurrection. They called Obama a "tyrant" for trying to fix our healthcare issues. Are any of you actually serious with this nonsense that it's "no big deal".
Do you remember during the campaigns when Obama and Hillary made run of Trump for suggesting that there could be hacking or rigging the election?
They swore up and down there was no way that that could happen.
So....what made Dems change theur tune so fast?
Any other reason than the fact that you lost?
If Hillary won would you be so rabidly blaming Russia?
The source of the article is the Washington Compost... an organization with a clear agenda. It's brimming with tin foil hat conspiracy lunatics. ANYTHING they put out is highly suspect.
So, were FBI Director Comey and DHS Secretary Johnson lying when they stated in their testimonies that Russian meddling did not change any votes in the 2016 election?
Votes don't need to be physically changed to alter an election. We do know hackers got into voter roll registries in 31 states, which means they could have deleted voters so their votes never showed up. And a massive disinformation/social media manipulation campaign is just as effective as changing vote tallies, and much easier.
Trump wasn't elected. Hillary was simply not chosen. It was the abcense of liberal voters that elected Trump. Since the media portrays Trump voters as knuckle-draggers and liberals as the intelligent, elite, it can only mean that liberals were smart enough to NOT elect Hillary.
That doesn't make Trump illegitimate, we voted him in. Period. Theres no evidence that votes were changed.
I disagree with this. Votes themselves don't need to be physically changed for it to be illegitimate. We know voter rolls were hacked and could have been deleted. That doesn't physically change a vote from Hillary to Trump, it just voids certain voters entirely.
And when a foreign enemy attacks our Democratic process to the point that an enormous segment of the country is swayed by their efforts, that process is no longer legitimate and therefore the results of that election are not legitimate.
Trump did not legitimately win this election, Putin manipulated our Democratic processes and the population engaged in it and put him into office.
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