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Old 06-25-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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It's his fault for being blind. Why didn't he save up a few million dollars for to prepare for exactly this kind of thing?***





***Just channeling our resident right wingers.
The sad part is that some people feel that way.
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Old 06-25-2017, 03:35 PM
 
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Probably are no "cuts." Usually what the Left calls "cuts" are really just reductions in the rate of growth. Funny that no Leftists seemed concerned about Obama taking millions out of Medicare to fund Obamacare. No money was taken from medicare by Obama, what they did was force medicare advantage providers to quit claiming every senior was a high cost patient which drove the costs of the advantage plans, they now have to document what conditions a senior has that would warrant a higher federal contribution (pretty awful, huh?)
They are going to cut 800 billion from medicaid in order to pay for a one trillion dollar tax cut to the wealthy. They want to give states a per capita fixed amount for medicaid, the big problem with that is that they do not want to use the cost of healthcare as a measure of how much to increase it each year, but rather the CPI, so if health care goes up 8% and the CPI goes up 2%, states will have to contribute 6% in addition to the 50% they already contribute to medicaid. Some states will simply not be able to do that, you can look at the financial crisis in Kansas and Oklahoma for starters. I am not sure how you could consider that anything other than a cut.

In addition, they want to terminate expanded medicaid, so poor adults without children will not receive medical care. The Republican plan for them will be to "allow" them to buy health policies and receive subsidies for part of the premium but the policies would have hefty co-pays, a $6,000 deductible, and would cover less than 60% of their medical expenses. Since the maximum income to qualify for expanded medicaid is around $15,000 a year that might prove to be tough. So it's kind of like saying here's a free car, all it needs is an engine, transmission and four wheels.
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Old 06-25-2017, 03:35 PM
 
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You make the mistake of believing the Trump supporters actually care about the specifics. We have seen Trump do a complete 180 on some very major issues that got him elected, and the cult simply turns around and starts walking the other way with him, declaring that that's the way they were going all along.

This is why those of us on the outside call them a cult. It truly and honestly doesn't matter what stance Trump takes on any issue. If Trump says it, they agree with it. And when he says the exact opposite tomorrow, they will agree with that just as enthusiastically and unequivocally.

I don't use the term cult lightly. These people fit the definition of the word to a T.
I agree, but there are still some who are merely low information and have not spent time learning about policy.

Many are simply unhappy the way life has turned out or feel insecure. The funny thing is a full public healthcare system would provide a level of fiscal security that would enhance the lives of most trump supporters, but they are too LOW INFORMATION to know it.

So instead they are support someone who will never help them in any meaningful way. Trump has not one single policy that will help anyone below upper middle class. Not one single policy.

People can pretend his "wall " will help but it will do nothing to decrease prices and will not increase wages nearly enough to offset the increased pricing on food and services. Not even close.

trump's anti globalist BS, does nothing to improve our economic outlook. It really is that simple. Some folk dream of the US somehow creating an internal market that does not need the rest of the world, but that is a pipe dream, there is no way to do it. And we would become a backwater, tariffed into poverty.
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Old 06-25-2017, 03:40 PM
 
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I know a young man who is blind and is raising three kids by himself. Medicaid pays for an aide to go shopping for him, help prepare meals, clean house etc. 4 hours a day. She also helps him make sure bills get paid. This is one of the things the Republicans want to cut here.
Evidence!
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Old 06-25-2017, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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I agree, but there are still some who are merely low information and have not spent time learning about policy.

Many are simply unhappy the way life has turned out or feel insecure. The funny thing is a full public healthcare system would provide a level of fiscal security that would enhance the lives of most trump supporters, but they are too LOW INFORMATION to know it.

So instead they are support someone who will never help them in any meaningful way. Trump has not one single policy that will help anyone below upper middle class. Not one single policy.

People can pretend his "wall " will help but it will do nothing to decrease prices and will not increase wages nearly enough to offset the increased pricing on food and services. Not even close.

trump's anti globalist BS, does nothing to improve our economic outlook. It really is that simple. Some folk dream of the US somehow creating an internal market that does not need the rest of the world, but that is a pipe dream, there is no way to do it. And we would become a backwater, tariffed into poverty.
Poverty and millionaires increased during the eight years of Obama. I didn't hear many liberals whining then.
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Old 06-25-2017, 03:45 PM
 
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Evidence!
This is what Governor Greitens has pledged to cut, and the legislature has already said they will go along with it.
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Old 06-25-2017, 03:46 PM
 
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NY State has a program--NHTD-- Nursing Home Transfer/ Diversion. Trying to keep seniors out of nursing homes (diversion) or get them out and back home once they're in one(transfer). State pays part of the cost or all, can't exactly recall, to have Aides care for them at home. It's cheaper! They end up, long term, on Medicaid, which the state will pay the NH's significantly more than paying for In-Home Aides.

The program was pretty innovative to me, coming from Arizona, where you lie on the ground and die when you get that age and incapacitated.

Not sure how many other, if any, states manage something akin to this program. Makes sense that we look at different ways to do the same thing and cheaper. They had a TBI program, too, for brain damaged people. Instead of putting them in an institution for life, Aides cared for them at home, too. Sure there are program requirements and stipulations, etc.,
California has a program like that too, but those programs are funded with medicaid waivers and with 800 billion in medicaid cuts virtually all of those programs will be discontinued within 4 or 5 years...which just coincidentally pushes the pain out past the 2018 and 2020 elections
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Old 06-25-2017, 03:52 PM
 
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Poverty and millionaires increased during the eight years of Obama. I didn't hear many liberals whining then.
Liberals didn't want to see poverty increase any more than conservatives did, and liberals don't hate millionaires. The job market has changed, there are fewer jobs for people with limited education and skills and that will continue no matter who the President is, retails jobs have taken a huge hit, and fast food jobs will decrease with automation, that's not partisan, why do you want to argue that it is?

We are talking about people not having access to healthcare, I think everyone should have a right to have healthcare and some of you think it's not a right it's a privilege, putting all the partisan nonsense aside that is pretty much what the argument is.
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Old 06-25-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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Most people who enter a nursing homes don't last/or stay more than 100 days.
Do you have a link that supports this number? Maybe you read something about people that are on Medicare and enter a nursing home for rehab, after hospitalization (i.e after broken hip).
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Old 06-25-2017, 04:05 PM
 
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I know a young man who is blind and is raising three kids by himself. Medicaid pays for an aide to go shopping for him, help prepare meals, clean house etc. 4 hours a day. She also helps him make sure bills get paid. This is one of the things the Republicans want to cut here.
Feel free to post a LINK that showed EXACTLY that Republicans want to cut care benefits for the very poor who can't take care of themselves & the disabled that can't take care of themselves.

They intend to roll back over a 3-5 year period the increases in the poverty level that ObamaCare brought in and put more people on welfare. IF your State (who actually administers the Medicaid program) intends to cut care benefits to the very poor and the disabled ...... take it up with THEM.
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