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Old 07-14-2017, 12:57 PM
 
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donald jr's intention for attending the meeting was to obtain russian documents from russian officials. there is no denying that fact. it's clearly ( almost comically clearly ) stated in the email exchange.
His intention was to hear them out. How do you know he wouldn't have turned over any evidence of illegal acts to the authorities? You don't.

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what was/wasn't ultimately discussed ( i don't trust either donald jr or natalia v.'s account ) doesn't change that fact nor does it change the fact that donald jr and multiple spokespeople for the campaign repeatedly lied about the existence of that meeting.
Actually, it does matter, as Loretta Lynch and the Obama DOJ never should have let the Russian lawyer operative remain in the US without a visa to lobby Congress and the State Department to repeal the Magnitsky Act on behalf of Russia and Putin.

Turns out the other operative in the meeting was also a lobbyist.

 
Old 07-14-2017, 12:57 PM
 
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Fox News didn't allow a Russian operative to stay in the US to lobby Congress and the State Department to repeal the Magnitsky Act on behalf of Russia and Putin. Loretta Lynch and the Obama DOJ did that, even after Congressional Staff and the State Department lodged complaints about her doing so.
Republican talking point rule number 1. : When caught in a scandal and or criminal act blame it on the Black Guy.

2. Bodyslam any reporter who dares ask a direct question.

3. Quote Ronald Regan (the guy who defeated the Red USSR).
 
Old 07-14-2017, 01:02 PM
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WHY did Loretta Lynch and the Obama DOJ allow a Russian operative to be present in the US without a visa to lobby on behalf of Putin and the Russian Government, even after complaints were filed when she did so?
Clearly they wanted Trump to win the election. Right? What other explanation can you come up with?

What a ridiculous argument. <doh>
 
Old 07-14-2017, 01:08 PM
 
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This is turning ugly on the left, and they're howling with rage. Typical.

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"But in an interview with NBC News earlier this week, Veselnitskaya acknowledged her contacts with Trump Jr. and in Washington were part of a lobbying campaign to get members of Congress and American political figures to see "the real circumstances behind the Magnitsky Act."
Exclusive: DOJ let Russian lawyer into US before she met with Trump team | TheHill

So, again... The question to ask is why Loretta Lynch and the Obama DOJ allowed her to remain in the country without a visa to lobby on behalf of Russia and Putin to repeal the Magnitsky Act, even after complaints were lodged about her lobbying Congress and the State Department to do so.
 
Old 07-14-2017, 01:10 PM
 
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Too bad that's not what the actual meeting was about. It was just another lobbying effort on behalf of Russia and Putin to repeal the Magnitsky Act, using Russian Adoption as the appeal

The question to ask is why Loretta Lynch and the Obama DOJ allowed her to remain in the country without a visa to do so, even after complaints were lodged about her lobbying Congress and the State Department on behalf of Russia and Putin.
Do you have a source for that being the case?

Loretta Lynch responds to Trump accusation Natalia Veselnitskaya Trump Jr - Business Insider

A spokesperson for Lynch said the former attorney general "does not have any personal knowledge of Ms. Veselnitskaya's travel," The Hill reported Thursday evening.
 
Old 07-14-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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His intention was to hear them out.
the email exchange clearly shows that trump jr was under the impression that he would receive russian documents from russian officials at the meeting. no other topic was mentioned.

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How do you know he wouldn't have turned over any evidence of illegal acts to the authorities? You don't.
the time to have contacted the authorities would have been BEFORE he attended the meeting.

your defense is on par with someone getting busted for buying drugs and claiming " i bought them so i could show you that drug deals were happening".

also your defense doesn't address the fact that donald jr and the campaign repeatedly lied about the existence of the meeting.
 
Old 07-14-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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Too bad that's not what the actual meeting was about. It was just another lobbying effort on behalf of Russia and Putin to repeal the Magnitsky Act, using Russian Adoption as the appeal

The question to ask is why Loretta Lynch and the Obama DOJ allowed her to remain in the country without a visa to do so, even after complaints were lodged about her lobbying Congress and the State Department on behalf of Russia and Putin.
Donny Trump is stupid, as the NY Post put it so succinctly. His first excuse was the adoption ruse. Why would this woman go to an entitled rich kid to make a plea for adoption? Wouldn't she choose Ivanka (you know how she cares so much about the children of the world).

Donny could care less and had zero power to do anything about Russian adoption anyhow. Why would his sleazy Russian connections hook him up regarding 'adoptions'? Have you seen those people chumming it up with Donny Sr. in Russia? One would have to be an illogical idiot to believe that story.

So Little Donny came up with another reason--the real reason. He was cornered, and the Times had his emails--he really had no choice. And that is why the story kept (and keeps) changing, with the truth seeping out in small doses.

Had it all been innocent, we would have heard the entire story straight up. We didn't. The sleazy Trump campaign didn't think they could win without dirt on Clinton. The Trumps play dirty whenever possible always in all ways. In addition to being naively clueless regarding the government, laws, and politics, they have no scruples whatsoever. Not a one.

We have still not heard everything. Only the tip of the iceberg. For some reason, people seem to think that all the classified information in existence has been leaked. It hasn't. There will be more slime rising to the surface. And the investigation has barely begun.

Drip drip drip.
 
Old 07-14-2017, 01:14 PM
 
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the email exchange clearly shows that trump jr was under the impression that he would receive russian documents from russian officials at the meeting. no other topic was mentioned.



the time to have contacted the authorities would have been BEFORE he attended the meeting.

your defense is on par with someone getting busted for buying drugs and claiming " i bought them so i could show you that drug deals were happening".

also your defense doesn't address the fact that donald jr and the campaign repeatedly lied about the existence of the meeting.

I'm seriously starting to question whether some of these people you're trying to get through to are 12 year old children or 90 year olds well past their cognitive primes.

WITHOUT A VISA
WITHOUT A VISA

PENSIONS INVESTED IN STOCK MARKET!

I'm incredulous to the thickness of some people, whether intentional or innate.
 
Old 07-14-2017, 01:17 PM
 
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Do you have a source for that being the case?

Loretta Lynch responds to Trump accusation Natalia Veselnitskaya Trump Jr - Business Insider

A spokesperson for Lynch said the former attorney general "does not have any personal knowledge of Ms. Veselnitskaya's travel," The Hill reported Thursday evening.
Yeah, like she had no knowledge of calling the INVESTIGATION into Hillary's crimes a "matter."

Americans aren't that easily fooled.
 
Old 07-14-2017, 01:19 PM
 
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It looked like it was purposefully phrased to get a future conviction as in a sting operation.
i know. i've debated if it could have been a set-up but all the actions since don't support that conclusion. i think it truly is just a matter of incredible stupidity.
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