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Old 11-23-2017, 09:26 AM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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I’m probably with the “liberals” on this one. But in the future, I don’t think people will pay for WiFi. I think will eventually switch to streaming from their phone and send it to their tv. The carriers are fighting an unlimited data war as we speak.

The other thing I think will happen is the big companies abuse the little guy and eventually a politician will pick up on this and the big four will have no one to blame but themselves. The sky isn’t falling. American companies, expecially small business always have found a way to innovate. Who knows? Maybe the way we access the internet in the future will be drastically different.
You are correct. Everyone thinks this is a static technology and can’t get past the wire coming to their house.
For instance, Comcast is getting into the cell business and the market will not tolerate caps, or pay for play models. Wire in the ground has been an expensive proposition and that will not be the foundation of connectivity in the very near future.

 
Old 11-23-2017, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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This is interesting,
[i]"A large number of messages lambasting the Obama-era regulation began appearing on the FCC's public forum with the same text. While it is not unusual for commenters to use form letters provided by activist groups, people began complaining they hadn't submitted the comments that carried their names and identifying information, that they were being impersonated". New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman started to investigate after noticing many of these comments involved people in New York. There was an unexpected roadblock along the way: the FCC declined to cooperate with his office’s investigation, he said, rebuffing requests for logs and other records associated with the comments" [i]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nl_most&wpmm=1
 
Old 11-23-2017, 11:56 AM
 
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Your ISP can block your VPN.
If only we had some sort of, I dunno, Net Neutrality rule in place to keep that from happening.
 
Old 11-23-2017, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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I wonder how the supporters of the Groper-in-Chief...
I don't think its fair to call Trump the "Groper-in-Chief." He's groped, but not that many. What we really should call him is the "Golfer-in-Chief," because that is a record which he now owns. He managed to break Obama's golfing record in only ten months on the job, when it took Obama 8 years.
 
Old 11-23-2017, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Denver
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You are correct. Everyone thinks this is a static technology and can’t get past the wire coming to their house.
For instance, Comcast is getting into the cell business and the market will not tolerate caps, or pay for play models. Wire in the ground has been an expensive proposition and that will not be the foundation of connectivity in the very near future.
Comcast is a reseller of Verizon. They don't have their own service.
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I’m probably with the “liberals” on this one. But in the future, I don’t think people will pay for WiFi. I think will eventually switch to streaming from their phone and send it to their tv. The carriers are fighting an unlimited data war as we speak.

The other thing I think will happen is the big companies abuse the little guy and eventually a politician will pick up on this and the big four will have no one to blame but themselves. The sky isn’t falling. American companies, expecially small business always have found a way to innovate. Who knows? Maybe the way we access the internet in the future will be drastically different.
There is currently no where enough bandwidth for wireless 4G to sustain people's home network requirements. I'm on the low end and still use 250-300GB per month. That's 10x the data cap limits on unlimited plans before you get throttled. Wired connections will always provide significant more.bandwidth and significantly faster speeds.
 
Old 11-23-2017, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Texas
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what choice? most ISP are monopolies, esp in "Trump Country". Are you just obtuse or can your mind only oppose things that Obama was for?
obtuse? lol Because you made something up I'm obtuse? hahahaha Guess what it isn't and it's laughable that you say it is. Then you mistakenly blame it on my hate for obama. hahaha When someone cannot discuss the issue, they deflect and make things up.

The government that YOU love is the problem. The more they stay out the more competition we have, the lower the costs, and the more options for we the people.

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Old 11-23-2017, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If you think companies like Comcast, AT&T, Cox, Verizon, etc have any interest in lowering costs to “we the people” you are seriously mistaken. These companies are behemoths that can and will crush the competition. Or just buy it.
If you think that companies like Comcast, AT&T, Cox, Verizon, don't pass on the high costs of government "allowing" them to do business doesn't cost "we the people" you are seriously mistaken.
These companies can only crush competition without lowering prices because the government that YOU love, stifles competition.

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Old 11-23-2017, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Firstly NN does not dictate what the ISP can offer their customer or how much it will cost. They can have as many tiers as they want at whatever price they want. The only limitations on this is they need to give their customers equal access to sites and services for the service they are providing.

Furthermore these ISP's hold monopolies in many areas and that is not going to change because of infrastructure costs.

Should your electric company be able to dictate what appliance you use?
Bad example. I own that appliance, I do not own anothers website. Should they be able to dictate higher and lower prices based on usage as well as dictate who gets it? That's all related.

One more time in hopes that you as well as the other socialists who don't believe in property rights will get it.

Get government out of the picture in order to increase competition, lower costs, and increase efficiency. What part of that simple statement confuses you? That is basic.
 
Old 11-23-2017, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Bad example. I own that appliance, I do not own anothers website. Should they be able to dictate higher and lower prices based on usage as well as dictate who gets it? That's all related.

One more time in hopes that you as well as the other socialists who don't believe in property rights will get it.

Get government out of the picture in order to increase competition, lower costs, and increase efficiency. What part of that simple statement confuses you? That is basic.
That works when there is a low cost of entry. Starting an ISP is expensive. You rarely see any new entrants, and the handful that do are in very limited areas due to these costs. That's of course assuming one of the big ones don't just buy out the competition

It's the same with airlines. The DOJ has allowed so many mergers. Look at the prices of domestic tickets. Where there used to be two airlines and now there is one, prices have gone up significantly.

Also... the argument that it will lower costs is absolutely BS. We have already seen what happens without regulations:

 
Old 11-23-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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That works when there is a low cost of entry. Starting an ISP is expensive. You rarely see any new entrants, and the handful that do are in very limited areas due to these costs. That's of course assuming one of the big ones don't just buy out the competition

It's the same with airlines. The DOJ has allowed so many mergers. Look at the prices of domestic tickets. Where there used to be two airlines and now there is one, prices have gone up significantly.

Also... the argument that it will lower costs is absolutely BS. We have already seen what happens without regulations:

What you think of what Tyler Cowen says?

Further thoughts on why the end of net neutrality will be fine - Marginal REVOLUTION
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