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Old 07-21-2017, 12:04 PM
 
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Many a person has drowned trying to help someone else drowning. The 1st victim will latch onto you and pull you under too.
Dialing 911 would have put no one in danger. Instead these sociopaths watched and laughed. Again, I hope their names are leaked. The public has a right to know who these sociopaths who are walking among us are.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:04 PM
 
Location: London
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This is one of those tough philosophical questions...these guys acted like horrible human beings, or possibly sociopaths, but is it truly a crime to NOT do something?

Obviously you want to punish them or have some type of consequences for letting someone die, but strictly looking at it logically, I don't necessarily think it should be law.

If you say it should be a crime to not help someone, where does that logic end? If someone else is putting themselves in danger, jumping in a lake, running into traffic, driving drunk, taking too many drugs...you're mandated to step in and punished as a criminal if you don't? I see some major red flags there.

I think it's an interesting and important conversation either way.
I think if there's imminent danger where death is absolutely guaranteed if no one helps, there should be a law to at least call for help to the best of your ability.

Those garbage teens were clearly not doing that.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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They had a moral duty to rescue. Not legal one. And there are reasons why the legal one would be far more complex then folks realize. Especially with drowning. Id guess that less then 5% of the population has any training in saving someone drowning.

But the moral duty to act? To even call for help? Oh yeah, these folks failed that. There are horrible people everywhere.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:06 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Dialing 911 would have put no one in danger. Instead these sociopaths watched and laughed. Again, I hope their names are leaked. The public has a right to know who these sociopaths who are walking among us are.
True, if they even had cell signal but in the amount of time it typically takes LE to get anywhere he'd still be dead and it would be a recovery.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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True, if they even had cell signal but in the amount of time it typically takes LE to get anywhere he'd still be dead and it would be a recovery.
So don't even make the call and try? Stand there and laugh at him as he is drowning instead?

No, I'm sorry, but there is no excusing this complete lack of empathy for a fellow human being. These kids are horrible people. I don't think there is any getting around that.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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They had a moral duty to rescue. Not legal one. And there are reasons why the legal one would be far more complex then folks realize. Especially with drowning. Id guess that less then 5% of the population has any training in saving someone drowning.

But the moral duty to act? To even call for help? Oh yeah, these folks failed that. There are horrible people everywhere.

Absolutely. I guess people aren't taught moral responsibility these days.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Many a person has drowned trying to help someone else drowning. The 1st victim will latch onto you and pull you under too.
More have actually risked their lives to save people from drowning....This story is a bit to close for me, as I watched my father drown when I was eleven...He couldn't swim, but that didn't stop him from trying to save my friend who had fallen into the river.....I can't imagine how anyone could sit by and do nothing....That is inexcusable.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Juveniles or not, I hope their names get outed. People have the right to know who these sociopaths in the making are.
Not me. While clearly sick, depraved mother-****ers that I have no good word so for, I am not in favor of requiring private citizens to attempt to rescue others or naming them with attempt to shame when they choose not to.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Florida
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So don't even make the call and try? Stand there and laugh at him as he is drowning instead?
Pot heads will giggle at anything, even at a drowning man.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:42 PM
 
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Many a person has drowned trying to help someone else drowning. The 1st victim will latch onto you and pull you under too.
psst...they had cell phones to call 911 but they were busy using them to record this man's death.
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