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No one should be compelled to endorse or support something.
There is somewhat of a limit. If you believe blacks are inferior, I think it's valid to make laws saying they have to serve black people anyway. And I think that's true of gay people. But, if a black man goes into a bakery and asks the baker to make him a black power cake, the baker can refuse if he does not want to create something with that message. Same with gay marriage.
Put it in an extreme context, should a Jewish baker be compelled to bake a cake with a swastika?
Those are not religious tenants. You're talking about politics/opinions
I'm not a religious person, but a private business should have the right to refuse service for ANY reason. I wouldn't care if the reason was because they don't like the look on someones's face. It's a private business, and this is a free country.
If you have a problem with this, you're simply ignorant. There is a LONG history of evidence that supports why what I said is correct. Do the research............
You don't understand the difference in terms of actual harm?
You can actually die if a doctor refuses services. If you don't get a cake, you're bummed.
You really can't see the difference?
Once again.
No doctor, harm.
No cake, no harm.
So medical service IS a right? Interesting.
Back to the cake. There is no difference. When you choose to serve the public you don't have the luxury of denying service just because someone lives a lifestyle that you find distasteful. Their lifestyle is legal. They haven't broken any laws. They aren't asking you to do anything illegal.
Back to the cake. There is no difference. When you choose to serve the public you don't have the luxury of denying service just because someone lives a lifestyle that you find distasteful. Their lifestyle is legal. They haven't broken any laws. They aren't asking you to do anything illegal.
Sure, you should have the right to pay for medical services.
Back to the cake, no, you shouldn't be penalized for inaction just because you are in business.
Once again, there is no harm. If you think there is harm, please state what it is.
If someone is having a heart attack, and the emts come. Does the EMT have a right to say they won't help the person because they are X and something about X is against their religion?
What if you are not an X type of person but are married to an X. You sign a contract with someone, say to build an addition and halfway through your X spouse comes home early one day and the contractor now refuses to complete the contract due to their religious beliefs. Are they liable for monetary damages?
Sure, you should have the right to pay for medical services.
Back to the cake, no, you shouldn't be penalized for inaction just because you are in business.
Once again, there is no harm. If you think there is harm, please state what it is.
But what if someone agrees to make a cake for an event, the person make sure the deposit, etc and then the day of the event the baker realizes the event is for someone they have beliefs against. Are they allowed to break the contract due to their religious beliefs? Are they held responsible for giving back the money? What about damages for ruining the event?
Back to the cake. There is no difference. When you choose to serve the public you don't have the luxury of denying service just because someone lives a lifestyle that you find distasteful. Their lifestyle is legal. They haven't broken any laws. They aren't asking you to do anything illegal.
No one's gonna die from not eating cake. That's toddler-tantrum-in-the-supermarket logic.
If someone is having a heart attack, and the emts come. Does the EMT have a right to say they won't help the person because they are X and something about X is against their religion?
Privatize everything. Eliminate the State. Use contract law with the backing of agreed-upon resolution councils. This won't happen if you put it in your contract. If it does, you can go to the contract to seek damages or whatever.
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Originally Posted by lkb0714
What if you are not an X type of person but are married to an X. You sign a contract with someone, say to build an addition and halfway through your X spouse comes home early one day and the contractor now refuses to complete the contract due to their religious beliefs. Are they liable for monetary damages?
I would strongly suggest putting a joint-resolution council in place to decide on such contractual issues.
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