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Old 08-19-2017, 04:26 PM
 
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Oh, blame it on those grandchildren of Italian immigrants. Or maybe the Irish.

How come so many of us in New England are of English heritage and also on the left? We're not tearing down any British American tradition--it's true that it is fading and it has been fading for as long as I can remember. It's probably better if all ethnicities fade into one, the way we were were taught in school--like a melting pot.
I wasn't even referring to British ancestry. All multi-generational white Americans in the majority support conserving America and the Democrats and their 'people of color' phony identity politics alliance in the majority are for transforming America into something more like a socialist/communist Latin American nation.

 
Old 08-19-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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They actually do with the don't snitch policies, reluctance to vote to convict fellow blacks, taking revenge into their own hands, identity politics etc. And what about muslims and their bringing their culture and sharia law to America?
And whites haven't - as a group - done ANY of that. C'mon.

(And by the way, I want back and edited - added more - to the post to which you're responding.)
 
Old 08-19-2017, 04:39 PM
 
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And whites haven't - as a group - done ANY of that. C'mon.

(And by the way, I want back and edited - added more - to the post to which you're responding.)
No they haven't. For example only a black jury would acquit someone with so much solid evidence against them as OJ, or riot every time a cop kills one them. The Justine Damond murder by a refugee muslim somalian cop was as egregious as it gets, and no riots or cop killings in response. And I did read your edit.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Huh? They don't have mass immigration and are more British American still than the US has become. And the jury is still out on how multiculturalism there is working out. I think the entire west has clearly passed its peak.
We aren't having the problems in Canada that the US is having, and only 32% of our population is Canadian born...... I'd say that is pretty diverse.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 04:46 PM
 
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We aren't having the problems in Canada that the US is having, and only 32% of our population is Canadian born...... I'd say that is pretty diverse.
I doubt everyone in Canada agrees with that if they're allowed to disagree. And Canada never had the non-selective mass immigration that America has long had. Keep bringing people in and you'll see problems with multiculturalism.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 04:46 PM
 
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No they haven't. For example only a black jury would acquit someone with so much solid evidence against them as OJ, or riot every time a cop kills one them. The Justine Damond murder by a refugee muslim somalian cop was as egregious as it gets, and no riots or cop killings in response. And I did read your edit.
So interesting that you mention that as an example for I happened to be on a jury right after the OJ trial. It was a largely black jury. A drug case. The only real evidence was the testimony of the white police officer.

I gotta say that I walked away with so much RESPECT for the those folks after the vote. Most brought up negative experiences that relatives, friends had had with police where they felt that had been treated unfairly or even unlawfully.

But they took their obligation to weigh the evidence on its own merits seriously and hard as it was for some to do - voted to convict.

Given the atmosphere after the OJ Simpson trial, that was ONE surprised defense attorney.

Even the prosecutors were expecting jury nullification.

But, yeah, I guess the OJ Simpson jury didn't rise to that challenge.

My example just turned out the other way.

Should we generalize to a whole population based on our two examples?
 
Old 08-19-2017, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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I don't think so. America was succeeding best when it had the least diversity despite problems with having some diversity black and white. And for some reason in the mid 1960's maximizing diversity was decided as the answer.
Lol..succeeding for whom?
 
Old 08-19-2017, 04:49 PM
 
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So interesting that you mention that as an example for I happened to be on a jury right after the OJ trial. It was a largely black jury. A drug case. The only real evidence was the testimony of the white police officer.

I gotta say that I walked away with so much RESPECT for the those folks after the vote. Most brought up negative experiences that relatives, friends had had with police where they felt that had been treated unfairly or even unlawfully.

But they took their obligation to weigh the evidence on its own merits seriously and hard as it was for some to do - voted to convict.

Given the atmosphere after the OJ Simpson trial, that was ONE surprised defense attorney.

Even the prosecutors were expecting jury nullification.

But, yeah, I guess the OJ Simpson jury didn't rise to that challenge.

My example just turned out the other way.

Should we generalize to a whole population based on our two examples?
There are many more examples and trends of juries being like the OJ one. What do expect me to write a volume on every claim?
 
Old 08-19-2017, 04:51 PM
 
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Lol..succeeding for whom?
Everyone. Where were whites and blacks even succeeding more than in America in 1950s and 60s America?
 
Old 08-19-2017, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I don't think so. America was succeeding best when it had the least diversity despite problems with having some diversity black and white. And for some reason in the mid 1960's maximizing diversity was decided as the answer.
Only prior to the 17th century and the arrival of Europeans did America (the land mass, not the nation) lack significant diversity. On a place called Tinicum Island (near Philiadelphia) there were Swedes, Brits, Dutch, and of course Indians, going back to the mid 17th century. They spoke different languages and had different cultures.
http://tthsdelco.org/wp-content/uplo...icum%20Twp.pdf
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