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Old 08-19-2017, 03:36 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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If conservative whites didn't want to assimilate blacks into their culture, they should not have forced them to come here as slaves.

Many other immigrants who come here are far more productive and decent than you think. Asians and Indians are successful in education and careers; I see it every day at my office. Stop painting all foreigners with too broad of a brush.

 
Old 08-19-2017, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Left coast
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Probably because blacks didn't like being denied voting rights, careers, respect...or being made to use separate schools, bathrooms, buses...or treat whites as superior overlords?

Ever thought of that? Let me guess, none of that registers with you as a problem because you're white.


this.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 03:41 PM
 
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Probably because blacks didn't like being denied voting rights, careers, respect...or being made to use separate schools, bathrooms, buses...or treat whites as superior overlords?

Ever thought of that? Let me guess, none of that registers with you as a problem because you're white.
Whatever, desegregation and the civil rights acts occurred before mass globalized immigration was instituted.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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The Mayans, incas, and Aztecs we're doing just fine before the Spaniards and portugese TOOK them by force. You can't slam Latin America without slamming Colonialism .....
How do you know they didn't fight each other? Not only that, but according to historians, some of them didn't even know that other cultures existed since some were far apart from each other.

Over in Alaska, some of the Native tribes in the past would fight each other. I can only assume that the same happened to the Mayan, Incas, and Aztecs. Humans have been fighting each other from the beginning of humankind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_warfare

These people had armies, too:
http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/10/22/...nca-and-olmec/
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The Inca civilization can be traced back to about A.D. 1200. They lived in the mountains of Peru, far removed from the Olmecs, Maya, and Aztecs, and at the peak of their power, the civilization extended for 4,000 kilometers (2,500 mi) and included 16 million people. They were extremely advanced and had an army, laws, roads, bridges, tunnels, and a complicated irrigation system far ahead of its time. However, they never invented a system of writing, instead using knotted ropes for record-keeping. A civil war over the rightful heir to the throne meant that when the Spanish invaded, the Inca were easily defeated. The empire fell in 1533.
Regardless: a nation without borders, a language, a culture, and laws to be followed by the people-cannot exist.

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Old 08-19-2017, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Left coast
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If conservative whites didn't want to assimilate blacks into their culture, they should not have forced them to come here as slaves.

Many other immigrants who come here are far more productive and decent than you think. Asians and Indians are successful in education and careers; I see it every day at my office. Stop painting all foreigners with too broad of a brush.
this too.

another way to look at the state of today, is that despite the current highly publicized turmoil and Trump's unexpected Presidency (which I think is due to the majority of Americans not turning out to vote- remember out of over FOUR HUNDRED MILLION people only about 63 million folks voted Trump so its NOT a majority in any way)
what we are seeing is growing pains.

Our nation- amongst others in the world is inextricably drawn into global economic infrastructures etc...
and our society is becoming more multi ethnic, and multi racial, etc...

Its why this percentage of Americans are getting uncomfortable.

Its too late though- theres no turning back the clock.

What we are doing is giving rein to the Corporations, and the people who own them- who honestly, are truly global enterprises-

Look at the Trump family, lol!!!!!!!

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Old 08-19-2017, 03:46 PM
 
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If conservative whites didn't want to assimilate blacks into their culture, they should not have forced them to come here as slaves.
It was the long gone classical liberals, wealthy the original globalist that did that, later to become Democrats not "conservative whites" that did that.

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Many other immigrants who come here are far more productive and decent than you think. Asians and Indians are successful in education and careers; I see it every day at my office. Stop painting all foreigners with too broad of a brush.
How does that help blacks and other long standing Americans?
 
Old 08-19-2017, 03:48 PM
 
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If conservative whites didn't want to assimilate blacks into their culture, they should not have forced them to come here as slaves.

Many other immigrants who come here are far more productive and decent than you think. Asians and Indians are successful in education and careers; I see it every day at my office. Stop painting all foreigners with too broad of a brush.
Good post.

Although I'd change it slightly to read: If conservative whites didn't wants to assimilate elements of black culture into a common culture, they should not have forced them to come here as slaves.

Even that, though, I'd probably rewrite further to recognize that there are often subcultures within the American identity instead of the old melting pot idea that isn't particularly accurate.

Folks are free to draw from a subculture what they choose and ignore the rest.

Obviously, it's more complicated than that for there are flash points like the current Confederate statue issue that, even though initially resolved by democratic vote, still left unhappy folks.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 03:51 PM
 
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Even if that is true, the left is changing the demographics of America largely for the purpose of tearing down all British American tradition.
The tradition that I'm referring to is the concept of managing internal affairs through voting by an educated population. Not scones and tea at 4 pm.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 03:56 PM
 
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How do you know they didn't fight each other? Not only that, but according to historians, some of them didn't even know that other cultures existed since some were far apart from each other.

Over in Alaska, some of the Native tribes in the past would fight each other. I can only assume that the same happened to the Mayan, Incas, and Aztecs. Humans have been fighting each other from the beginning of humankind.
I believe the Mayans had collapsed before colonial contact. The Aztecs were at constant war with other tribal nations, who turned allies with the Spanish against them, with slaves and human sacrifice. The Incas were in a war between two factions when Pizzaro began his conquest.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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We are all familiar with the phrase "diversity is our strength." I would like to know what the historical basis for that is. Sure, US has always been "multi-cultural" but all of those cultures came from the same race/geographic area and were always forced to assimilate into one culture. Where did the idea that a society made up roughly equally of fiver different races would be better than a county of only one race?

I'm not trying to stir the pot here, just trying to learn. Thanks!
Five races? There is only one race, Human........By the way Canada is doing just fine.
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