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Oh, what you really wanted this thread to be about is progressivism vs other ideologies/social agendas ---Trumpism, liberals, conservatives, libertarians, left, right, alt-right, neo-cons, etc../social agendas. I thought from the thread title you wanted to know why people would or wouldn't vote to re-elect Trump.
Interesting issue you seem to have here...
I started this thread to see if I was right that Trump would get more votes in this forum, and also to learn why. If that doesn't also include some exchange about political ideology, I'm not sure how, but frankly..., I don't care what people might comment. I do prefer the more adult mature thoughtful comments over the rude tosses from the peanut gallery however.
In closing I just want to reiterate that I am a Republican only for Trump and I do like our current PA Republicans. I have not liked them all - I hated Governor Ridge; when you are a truck driver you like good roads and he did nothing for our roads. I like politicians that I see are making our lives better. As far as most of the Republican leadership; I have as much faith in them as I do in Pelosi and crowd.
As far as haves and have nots: It boils down to who is going to redistribute our money and who are they going to give it to. What is wrong with choosing our own charities or charity starts at home? We have seen the articles of how some panhandlers make six figures; how do we know who is truly needy? By the way, I am more than aware of the number of needy down South and we have made several donation and will continue to do so. But if our government wants to take our money to support those that illegal came into our Country; we are not for that. We believe in the rule of law and feel that our government should to - they made the laws!
Sorry to see you go...
Trying to track your political path that now has you explaining you are a Republican "only for Trump." Before it was about something else that had you turn, but I'm beginning to recognize what is really the conservative in you throughout as you suggest charity should be good enough and this about panhandlers who make six figures. Neither of those notions is supported by the reality of what charity can do and what panhandlers typically get. Perhaps that's as good a place for me to leave it in closing.
Before the next election, please consider that non-committed votes are completely turned off by rhetoric addressed in this manner. This entire charade of a thread. I don't care how good you think you are, nobody jumps in a tar pit and comes out rosy. I recall seeing a bit of Bill Maher's show (I can't stand it) as I was flipping through the channels shortly before the election. He was repugnant....and so cockily self assured with his own suave liberalism. So haughty in creating straw men to knock down. It was sickening.
That's when I thought for the first time...Donald Trump might win this thing. He's going to get the silent vote that just doesn't want to advertise their position and face this cr@p.
Some guy once said, ask not what your country will do for you, but what you can do for your country. Doesn't sound like free healthcare and education for those that need it, does it? Think of that in choosing the nominee in 2020.
Almost sounds like you want to share your opinion and hear others, though maybe not mine?
I can fully understand how some people can turn us off and others don't. I do try to stay the high road when it comes to exchanging opinion about what is best for us as Americans -- and why. Who might make our better POTUS -- and why. You are so right that many in America just don't much like political exchange, but what makes this an "entire charade of a thread" I wonder? You are one of those "silent" voters who doesn't want to "advertise" their position, because you don't want to face what? Counter opinion?
I too have often pointed out that politics is much like mud wrestling, and no mud wrestler is going to keep from getting muddy. Not a sport for the thin skinned either, but I truly struggle with those who will argue every aspect about politics in these terms -- personalities, egos, drama -- rather than the simple right or wrong of political thinking.
"Different strokes for different folks" of course. I get lots of kudos (more likely from those who voted no in this poll of course), and I get lots of angst from folks who don't like my points of view, especially as I explain why I don't support Trump. Surprise, surprise...
So what're you going to do vote for the people talking about nationalizing our 4 trillion dollar healthcare industry, extreme identity politics, $15 an hour for burger flipping, massive wealth redistribution, open borders. The left has gone insane.
It's when we actually break down these issues and address them honestly and straight-forwardly that we BEGIN to make sense of things. Simply casting all you don't support (or understand) in negative light, misrepresenting the truth, is no way going to work for those who know better. On the other hand, since it works for so many who don't know better, your sort of propaganda is common...
"For the great enemy of truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived and dishonest--but the myth--persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we hold fast to the cliches of our forebears. We subject all facts to a prefabricated set of interpretations. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- JFK
If I had to say what is the most important issue facing the country today, I would say illegal immigration.
It has sucked the life blood out of this country, when you see how much money, and benefits these illegals are getting from this country.
From day one Trump promised he would start deporting if he became president, has not happened.
Promised he would build a wall on the southern border, has not happened.
Promised he would get a health plan up and running, hasn't happened.
Promised he would lower taxes, hasn't happened.
And the biggest mistake he has done was giving congress time to adopt a law, allowing all these dreamers to stay here.
He is so full of ****.
I would never ever vote for him should he decide to run again.
Bob.
Starting with the belief that illegal immigration is the "most important issue facing the country today," you apparently have bought into the conservative narrative that Trump used to win "hearts and minds" like yours, but the premise is simply not true. Illegal immigration is a problem, yes, but not anything like what Trump wanted you to believe as he even stooped to throwing "rapists and murderers" into the mix to sweeten the pot for you and his followers.
What makes illegal immigration such a problem of choice for so many conservatives is that it's an easy target for people who have all sorts of issues with immigrants legal or not, starting with hearing Spanish in our English speaking country. People who don't look like us REAL Americans...
Of course not all Trump supporters are of that ilk, but we all know there are enough of them to help fuel those xenophobic emotions. I know lots of people don't like when these observations are made, but they are valid observations nevertheless. I know people who will readily admit this is how they feel and there is all the evidence around us if we look, long before we get into a true and accurate rating of just how much a problem illegal immigration represents to the average American.
PS: how Trump is folding, like with DACA for example, is either evidence he is a hypocrite, or maybe never really believed the problem was as serious as he wanted you to believe to get elected, or he's come around to understanding revoking DACA is also doing more harm than good, or...?
Something like how I feel about attempting a thread in which a reasonable exchange of opinion might be possible, but people -- like politicians -- can be hard to figure sometimes.
That said, imagine if everyone bailed because of the failings of others. Maybe disappointment in others helps us to learn how better to judge who among us best represents our better half, or drives us to drinking maybe...
If I had to say what is the most important issue facing the country today, I would say illegal immigration.
It has sucked the life blood out of this country, when you see how much money, and benefits these illegals are getting from this country.
From day one Trump promised he would start deporting if he became president, has not happened.
Promised he would build a wall on the southern border, has not happened.
Promised he would get a health plan up and running, hasn't happened.
Promised he would lower taxes, hasn't happened.
And the biggest mistake he has done was giving congress time to adopt a law, allowing all these dreamers to stay here.
He is so full of ****.
I would never ever vote for him should he decide to run again.
Bob.
while I agree that Illegals are an important issue...I don't think it is the number 1 issue
you have to remember a few thing...President Trump has only been in office for about 8 months
and
almost every promice he (or any other candidate) HAS to go through congress first
for example: one of President Obama's promices was to close Gitmo...was even one of his first EO's...yet Gitmo is still open
the real important issues...not in order
lower taxes...must go through congress...must start in house of reps
bring jobs back (ie repeal NAFTA and all the other so-called free-trade treaties)....again MUST go through congress
repeal the ACA....again must go through congress
fix the illegal issue, and streamline legal immigration......again MUST go through congress
do something to better vet the refugees.....Trump tried that...the liberal 9th court shot him down, even though it was fully within his power
I will vote for him over ANY of the fascist liberals
while I agree that Illegals are an important issue...I don't think it is the number 1 issue
you have to remember a few thing...President Trump has only been in office for about 8 months
and
almost every promice he (or any other candidate) HAS to go through congress first
for example: one of President Obama's promices was to close Gitmo...was even one of his first EO's...yet Gitmo is still open
the real important issues...not in order
lower taxes...must go through congress...must start in house of reps
bring jobs back (ie repeal NAFTA and all the other so-called free-trade treaties)....again MUST go through congress
repeal the ACA....again must go through congress
fix the illegal issue, and streamline legal immigration......again MUST go through congress
do something to better vet the refugees.....Trump tried that...the liberal 9th court shot him down, even though it was fully within his power
I will vote for him over ANY of the fascist liberals
Just FYI...
"When you call somebody a fascist, you can mean any number of things. Often, it means no more than “somebody I don’t like.” It is an all-purpose epithet, usable by anyone against everyone from university deans to Fox News anchors. For that reason, the label should be used sparingly — saved for special occasions. As with “Nazi” or “Hitler,” it is often said that in any discussion, the first person reduced to using such a word has lost the argument. It’s ridiculous to compare any living person to Hitler or Mussolini."
"When you call somebody a fascist, you can mean any number of things. Often, it means no more than “somebody I don’t like.” It is an all-purpose epithet, usable by anyone against everyone from university deans to Fox News anchors. For that reason, the label should be used sparingly — saved for special occasions. As with “Nazi” or “Hitler,” it is often said that in any discussion, the first person reduced to using such a word has lost the argument. It’s ridiculous to compare any living person to Hitler or Mussolini."
I think you might do well to read the whole article...
the simple fact is that 99% of liberals (notice I said liberals not democrats ) are so far left that they are fascists(socialism lite) or full pledged socialists
fascism comes from progressivism
fascism is leftist
fascism is left wing...American liberals are fascists...big government bring tyranny
hitler (german fascism), fascism, socialism, communism, Naziism, Marxism are all progressive left
liberals (ie progressives) were the one here IN AMERICA that were supporting hitler in the 1930's
Progressives also believed that industrialization had led to social “disintegration” and materialistic decadence throughout America.
progressives looked favorably on the policies and ideals of Italian and German fascism in the 1920s and 1930s;
As an ardent admirer of Marx, Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) called his version of Marxist socialism "Fascism". Instead of nationalization--government ownership--of private business, Mussolini advocated government control of business via complete bureaucratic regulation.
Quote:
""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini
hmm high taxes...super control (authoritarian) by regulations...sounds like the American liberals to anyone with common sense
Zbigniew Brzezinski advisor to carter, clinton and obama.....""This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations"""
Quote:
We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
simple things like 'nationalizing' corporations, nationalization of all trusts(banks),social security, emanate domain(agrarian reform) , removing the guns from the people, demand the end of capitalism, state(country) provided education, blame the jews (or the modern version 'the zionists'),.. 'fairness doctrine"( censorship of talk radio),, singlepayer health, redistribution of wealth).....COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD
DO THESE SOUND FAMILIAR, YES THE ARE THE TALKING POINTS OF THE LIBERALS, THE DNC AND MOVEON.ORG...............................THEY ARE ALSO A LARGE PART OF HITLERS 25 POINTS
fascism came to America under progressive Wilson, and the fascist liberal FDR..
Quote:
"A Marxist/progressive/Fascist/Liberal begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of socialism, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul Alinsky
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