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Lots we can do, and we both know lots of people who share your sentiments, me included, but until there really is the viable possibility of a march or protest or alternative manner of voting that will actually "move the needle" politically speaking, all I'm saying is that we have no choice to vote in whatever way might actually move the needle.
Though a vote for Hillary or Trump doesn't create the absolute change anyone can reasonably expect to cure all ills, a vote for one or the other was the only vote that affects the direction we go, even if only a slight change all considered. There are very significant differences between the change Trump represents as compared to Hillary, and those differences were really the only matters of significance when it came to voting for POTUS.
All other alternatives were/are irrelevant all considered, or tell me in what way any alternative even went noticed? Mattered? I've asked for that sort of evidence or substantiation for what we might do otherwise and no one has yet shown me any evidence -- whatsoever -- that any alternative mattered like a vote for Hillary or Trump mattered. No one. None!
Need to update your copy paste, gas prices spiked after the hurricanes.
Rather than update it, why not scrap it altogether? That list has been addressed many times. Yet, those who can't believe what they don't want to hear or understand, just keep on repeating the loop. Like Trump promised a rise in the stock market and/or is to be given credit for that? I guess we're back to giving the rooster credit for the Sun rising!
"The reason that measurable facts were sidelined in political debates was not that people have poor reasoning skills, Kahan concluded. Presented with a conflict between holding to their beliefs or finding the correct answer to a problem, people simply went with their tribe.
It was a reasonable strategy on the individual level – and a “disastrous†one for tackling social change, he concluded."
Yale psychologist created an experiment to test how political bias affects our reasoning skills. -- Dan Kahan
Which is why I didn't vote in this poll. I prefer a CIC with a functioning brain. Since Trump doesn't have one - which was obvious to anyone with two brain cells, I didn't vote for him - and didn't vote in this poll. So much for the IQ of this country. It's gone.
Everybody's got a take about this sort of thing, voting or expressing heartburn, whatever...
Like I said before and I say again, let's not take ourselves all TOO seriously in this forum. Just a thread I thought to check my sense about how C-D posters would vote and/or comment, and though no real surprise (except the gap is much narrower now than at first or as expected), some of the comments have been interesting to consider from a more important standpoint, as in "what makes people tic" and/or vote the way they do...
From the pre-election panic, I expected by now Trump would have destroyed the 1st Amendment, pulled us out of NATO, created a TheocraticNaziFascist dictatorship.
So, do you have an outside date for when Trump will start nuking NK, Iran, Venezuela, or whatever you think he'll destroy ?
All other alternatives were/are irrelevant all considered, or tell me in what way any alternative even went noticed? Mattered? I've asked for that sort of evidence or substantiation for what we might do otherwise and no one has yet shown me any evidence -- whatsoever -- that any alternative mattered like a vote for Hillary or Trump mattered. No one. None!
You haven't given a reason why voting for Hillary or Trump where she won by 1.8 million votes mattered more than voting for Johnson.
Though you see Hillary as the clear choice, imo millions of people faced the rock and hard place dilemma. If those people had voted 3rd party, the needle would have moved more than casting votes for Trump or Hillary in non-competitive states. Certainly more effective than the imaginary needle-changing march on Washington you and Pharoah will attend.
If Hillary is still in the picture, you bet I would vote Trump. What other choice do I have????
MSM makes damn sure there is no 3rd party, right? We are all doomed.
If you were presented and made to believe you have 3 options for your love life
1) A woman beater
2) A meth addict
3) Single / Protest and demand or wait for a better option
Which one would you choose?
Legit can not understand how people vote in corrupt politicians every election cycle.
Except you will never be single. That isn't an option. One way or another you are getting the "woman beater" or the " meth addict", if you don't act, someone else will choose for you.
You haven't given a reason why voting for Hillary or Trump where she won by 1.8 million votes mattered more than voting for Johnson.
Though you see Hillary as the clear choice, imo millions of people faced the rock and hard place dilemma. If those people had voted 3rd party, the needle would have moved more than casting votes for Trump or Hillary in non-competitive states. Certainly more effective than the imaginary needle-changing march on Washington you and Pharoah will attend.
The reason to vote for either Hillary or Trump in the end was because no other alternative had a chance at becoming POTUS. If all these protest "alternative" votes had been cast toward Hillary or Trump along with those who didn't vote at all, we'd know better who was actually the popular choice and by how much. No doubt the electoral college and those states deeply blue or red lessen this case for voting either for Hillary or Trump, but there is no better case that justifies wasting a vote on someone who hasn't got a chance.
Add the fact that someone who might lean toward either Hillary or Trump but doesn't vote for either is actually helping the candidate they don't lean toward just a bit more.
Despite all the heartburn and emotion, as best I can understand this simple math and truth, the only real vote that matters in the end is for one of the candidates that has a chance to win. All else is emotional "feel good" stuff that doesn't register in the grand political scheme of things. No one pays attention to those votes, past, present or into the foreseeable future...
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