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My biggest problem with the conservative movement at the moment is that speaking repeatedly has rapidly replaced speaking correctly. This type of activity is what drives people to the liberal side of things.
"Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5]"
But don't take my word for it....read for yourself:
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no I wont bother attacking the source...
but the fact remains is that fascism came from the teachings of marx sand the progressive movement
just because somebody writes it wrong, doent make it correct
btw European right wing is different from what is in America
yes fascist are to the right of the lefty liberals.....democrats are to the right of liberals....are democrats now right wing, by the way you describe it???
FDR LOVED Mussolini and his fascism...an he chose to bring it to America (what he called the 3rd way)
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After 1945 the term "Fascist" conjured up images of Nazi death camps, but in the 1930s it had a very different connotation, meaning the centralization of political power as in Benito Mussolini's Italy and of a "third way" between communism and capitalism. While most American businessmen thought Roosevelt was hostile to them, critics on the left said he was too friendly. Similarities of American domestic programs to fascist economics are not necessarily pejorative; one of the motives behind the Interstate Highway System was that President Eisenhower was impressed by Hitler's autobahn system.[22] Early in Roosevelt's first term supporters and critics alike found similarities between the National Recovery Administration (NRA) and Italian corporatism. In 1935 and 1936, after the Italian invasion of Ethiopia and the Supreme Court struck down the NRA, contemporaries stopped comparing the NRA to Italian corporatism. Interest in the subject returned in 1973 when two prominent historians[who?]wrote articles on resemblances between the New Deal and fascist economics. According to James Q. Whitman, by the late 1980s it was "almost routine" for New Deal historians to identify similarities between the New Deal and fascist economic programs
My biggest problem with the conservative movement at the moment is that speaking repeatedly has rapidly replaced speaking correctly. This type of activity is what drives people to the liberal side of things.
"Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5]"
But don't take my word for it....read for yourself:
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Yeah, don't bother, because when someone insists about something no matter what facts, reason or logic to the contrary are provided, the effort is futile...
More important, I think, is to accurately recognize fascism and the likes in our world today. This latest from Trump about football players protesting is about the most fascist-like act I have ever witnessed of a POTUS, even our lunatic POTUS Trump who now seems to think Americans are apt to support his attempted crack down on dissent.
You can bet most liberals and plenty conservatives are not about to be supportive of that form of fascism either. Instead quite the opposite as no doubt now we'll see some real push back against fascism the likes of which Trump has never seen before!
"But together with Trump’s “Rocket Man” jabs at North Korea, the president’s reaction to Charlottesville had convinced him that he would not be voting for Trump again, and that he needed to vet his candidates more carefully in the future."
I might be wrong. Hard to say, but I think there are far more people who voted for Trump that are re-thinking that decision like this guy quoted as compared to people who did not vote for Trump and now thinking they would. That's certainly my hope anyway...
It all depends on what other candidates there are, and also if he will be allowed to have a twitter account or not.
I highly doubt he will run again, after this term I'm sure he will just want to go back to his normal life. I get it, much like many that talk, he talked then put his hat in the ring. I give him credit for that. I also think he had no clue how hard it would be to break up the "old mans club" that is made up by both parties. Couple that with a media that despises him and the sheep that follow... yeah I don't think he could imagine the challenges he would face.
As I look right now the poll is 216 Yes and 200 NO.
It is plain to see by your statements you were hopefully of a strong NO.
It isn't hard to look at thread titles and see the overwhelming numbers of anti Trump threads that are started. In regards to every action from NFL to Russian topics to impeachmment.
It is pretty much the same with all mainstream media.
Still you see very divided numbers. If you divide that by state. I think you would find about the same outcome as election night.
If you want to learn something. Go down the list of people that voted NO. The majority voting no with location in their profile live in California. For those that have no location look at which forums they have posted more. Of those that voted NO California is the state forum they have posted more in. The second highest forum is NY. Those are the majority not all. There are representations from many states. It's the same overall picture.
If you want to learn something about if things have changed, I think that is great data to understand not much has.
Poll results so far indicate slightly more wanting to re-elect Trump, which correlates with the general sense that most C-D posters are older/conservative.
Oh, I see. Don't get the results you want. It's the old people. Surly the younger voters would change their mind by now.
What a bunch of elitist crap. I do however like the fact that you try to rationalize this tread and try to appear coming to a honest conclusion when it is obvious you have no desire to know. You 're the person that tries to manipulate. Thinking everyone else is stupid.
To the poster that stated that you don't see the OP's vote early on, all you have to do is look at pre and post election posts.
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Hopefully not. Question this time around, however, is just how did we get a candidate like this in the first place?
"Where would we be without the GOP?"
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As much as I have a hard time stomaching Trump, I think he is RELYING on just how smart Americans are (or not), for whom the pandering works well, but fortunately..., there are those not so inclined and there is the electoral college to serve as firewall between Trump followers and Trump made POTUS. I too wish I could get behind "an outsider." I too am concerned about the influence of special interests ruling our democracy, undermining it, wishing for something of a difference. More like Sanders represented, not this Trumpism that is an embarrassment for America world wide. Much like racism, bigotry and the gap between rich and poor is an embarrassment and very real problem. Thinking Trump is the answer is something like thinking a drug addict should run a pharmacy...
Everyone should realize the OP here thinks that you're just stupid if you don't see the world through his eyes. He likes the socialist and no surprise where he resides. No surprise that he is the one that started the thread in the hopes of finding more discontent.
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However, again having grown up in SoCal, I am again reminded that "everything is relative," and much you go on about is nothing compared to what I left in SoCal to get away from here in the Bay Area, ultimately here in Santa Cruz. Vast citrus orchards and open space turned to housing developments, strip malls, mega malls and freeways where no one gets anywhere anytime soon. I've already gone on about the positives here that, for me anyway, far outweigh the negatives, and I well understand the feelings about corporate entities vs the "mom and pops," but ultimately these companies vie for consumer dollars that ultimately determines who stays and who goes.
My favorite cafe is Caffe Strada in Berkeley, an independent, and while enjoying many a coffee there, I too felt strongly about holding back the likes of what I left in L.A., but when it comes to knowing you will get a good cup of coffee just about anywhere, Starbucks is best, our opinion anyway, and we love our coffee...
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So again, Did you learn something? As much as you state in a few of your last posts about not talking to neighbors and getting out of your bubble, you still don't recognize that a great many people simply haven't changed their position. You will relegate your results here to that the people here are just old.
You're very typical of why those that voted for Hillary were very surprised of the outcome. You might be surprised again if you convince yourself at every opportunity that your own results mean nothing because you're just sampling old farts on city data.
Then again you will just fallback to that you are superior everyone else. Well, frankly their lacking to your superior intellect.
As I look right now the poll is 216 Yes and 200 NO.
It is plain to see by your statements you were hopefully of a strong NO.
It isn't hard to look at thread titles and see the overwhelming numbers of anti Trump threads that are started. In regards to every action from NFL to Russian topics to impeachmment.
It is pretty much the same with all mainstream media.
Still you see very divided numbers. If you divide that by state. I think you would find about the same outcome as election night.
If you want to learn something. Go down the list of people that voted NO. The majority voting no with location in their profile live in California. For those that have no location look at which forums they have posted more. Of those that voted NO California is the state forum they have posted more in. The second highest forum is NY. Those are the majority not all. There are representations from many states. It's the same overall picture.
If you want to learn something about if things have changed, I think that is great data to understand not much has.
I'm guessing you are serious, and I just know you must be new to this thread, because confusing what I had in mind when I started this thread (explained more than a few times already), actually predicting this outcome given this forum, has absolutely nothing to do with what is going on outside our little bubble here...
Yes. There is lots of anti-Trump sentiment expressed here and all over the country, and yes, Trump supporters are undaunted and enough in number to get Trump elected, just enough, electoral college obviously helping that outcome become the reality it has become.
Divided numbers, agreed again. Much like the divide that separates all the Americans who think a great America is one thing versus all who think another. Now, as Trump proves himself (or not), we find out how those numbers will tilt. I suspect they will tilt away from Trump, and I surely hope so.
I don't need to better understand who is voting either way or why. That's obvious, including where they are from, California or any other state that is clearly Red or Blue.
You may be right not much has changed since Trump got elected, but I think there is a fair amount of evidence that there is a shift, away from Trump. Though hard core Trump supporters are not inclined to change their views or vote, others seem to be thinking twice if Trump's falling approval ratings are any indication. That's good enough for me anyway...
Oh, I see. Don't get the results you want. It's the old people. Surly the younger voters would change their mind by now.
What a bunch of elitist crap. I do however like the fact that you try to rationalize this tread and try to appear coming to a honest conclusion when it is obvious you have no desire to know. You 're the person that tries to manipulate. Thinking everyone else is stupid.
To the poster that stated that you don't see the OP's vote early on, all you have to do is look at pre and post election posts.
Everyone should realize the OP here thinks that you're just stupid if you don't see the world through his eyes. He likes the socialist and no surprise where he resides. No surprise that he is the one that started the thread in the hopes of finding more discontent.
So again, Did you learn something? As much as you state in a few of your last posts about not talking to neighbors and getting out of your bubble, you still don't recognize that a great many people simply haven't changed their position. You will relegate your results here to that the people here are just old.
You're very typical of why those that voted for Hillary were very surprised of the outcome. You might be surprised again if you convince yourself at every opportunity that your own results mean nothing because you're just sampling old farts on city data.
Then again you will just fallback to that you are superior everyone else. Well, frankly their lacking to your superior intellect.
Ride the wave, If you like.
If you want to use terms like "elitist," then fair I return the favor and declare you stupid. Right? Not everyone, just you, because that seems to be the path you want to take. Okay with me...
I am not one to look at any poll like this as an effort to get results that are wanted! I want what the polls tell us, and in this forum, that Trump have a slight margin in this silly little poll is NO SURPRISE OR DISAPPOINTMENT TO ME WHATSOEVER!
I have been a little surprised the margin has been closing a bit since the earlier going however...
You are obviously upset if not threatened by this thread even though you really don't understand the first thing about me or much that has emerged from this thread of more interest to me. Your perspective is just more of the same sort of intolerance for people like me who don't see Trump as right regardless whether he is right or wrong.
Just too funny! I didn't start this thread to "find more discontent!" Hilarious! I surely don't need this thread or forum to see where all the discontent is coming from and why! Seriously?
You can describe my intentions anyway you like, same as anyone else who "can't handle the truth," must be about something else entirely. More nonsense! I pretty well understand why some people disagree with me and others don't. I have very good friends who represent both sides of that divide, but I do have little tolerance for the sort of nonsense you are throwing into the mix. I'll leave it at that to keep it civil here...
Just please take your insecurities wherever you like, but this about me being "superior" is just more sure sign of someone who can't argue their opinion with other than emotion that is so typical of people who feel inferior about all too many things for no fault other than their own.
I had to vote 'yes' because I would assume the any do-over election would still be Trump versus Clinton and I could not vote for Clinton no matter how much Trump may screw up.
restating. without question I would vote for TheDonald again, fully knowing everything we currently know.
Trumps appointment of Neil Gorsuch saved America from becoming a progressive hellhole police state.
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