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Fear mongering climate alarmists agree on a hypothesis. Deniers are a more diverse group. Some having interests in industry. Others have a more scientific basis.
I'm rather moderate. Yes, we absolutely need to take great care of our planet. Reducing future population growth would help. Keeping more carbon in the soil would help. Sensible and efficient development worldwide would help. Recycling of some objects helps. Changing packaging would help. Encouraging lower tech living would help. Take your pick.
The science is never settled but there isn't much in the way to suggest that humans aren't affecting the climate, we can only argue about the extent until something actually comes to suggest otherwise.
agreed.
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Actually you have it in reverse....Climate science is based on evidence. Denial of that science is based on faith (Belief without evidence) which makes people who deny science cult like.... It is the denial movement (based mainly in the USA) that are politicizing the science.
your problem though is that as others have noted, the climate models are rubbish, and way overstate the future effects on the climate. even the ones that created the models have admitted this.
there is also evidence that the warming stopped in 1998, will you accept that? here is another issue that has been brought up, and that is the constant moving of thermometers. you can never get proper averages if you constantly move the measuring instruments.
one more question that you have NEVER answered, of course you can never anwer it if you are honest, but what it the proper temperature of the earths climate supposed to be? in reality you cant answer that question because there is no way to know what the temperature is supposed to be.
as for your claim that climate science is based on evidence, wrong. it is based more on the interpretation of the evidence by those with a political agenda. i am betting that you never watched those videos i posted, and made your comments based on your bias.
Yes. There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see. Science teaches not to eat where we poop. Only some people will believe this.
you are right, the problem though is the alarmists wont see, or let us see, ALL the science behind climate change. we are not being told the whole story by anyone. for the last two million years we have been in fact in an ice age, with periods of glaciation and periods of inter glaciation. these are consistent periods based on the findings of geologists around the world. we are only 12-15,000 years out of the last period of glaciation, so naturally the earth is going to warm up, did you really think it wouldnt?
another thing to note is that it is about ten degrees cooler than at this point in the last inter glacial period. this indicates to me that this is still a natural cycle. this isnt to say that man cant have an effect on the climate, but it is the height of arrogance to suggest that man can truly have a major effect on the climate like the alarmists are suggesting.
...it is the height of arrogance to suggest that man can truly have a major effect on the climate like the alarmists are suggesting.
LOL, as he types this yet another Cat 5 hurricane bears down on the Caribbean, right on the heels of Harvey (50+ inches of rain in Texas, unprecedented) and Irma (first time the US has seen back-to-back Cat 4's, and Irma set a record for longest sustained 180+ mph winds).
Human-induced climate change is doing a triple face-slap to North America. These severe hurricanes are all fed by hot oceans warmed by CO2 emitted by human activity. It isn't alarmism. The models don't matter. It's actual facts on the ground, right here, right now.
your problem though is that as others have noted, the climate models are rubbish, and way overstate the future effects on the climate. even the ones that created the models have admitted this.
there is also evidence that the warming stopped in 1998, will you accept that? here is another issue that has been brought up, and that is the constant moving of thermometers. you can never get proper averages if you constantly move the measuring instruments.
Nonsense, globally 2016 was the third year in a row as the warmest year on record.
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one more question that you have NEVER answered, of course you can never anwer it if you are honest, but what it the proper temperature of the earths climate supposed to be? in reality you cant answer that question because there is no way to know what the temperature is supposed to be.
You are correct, as there is no "correct" temperature for the earth. I do know that in 2016 the earth was 1.78F higher than the mid 20th century mean and 16 of the 17 warmest years on record have occured since 2001.
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as for your claim that climate science is based on evidence, wrong. it is based more on the interpretation of the evidence by those with a political agenda. i am betting that you never watched those videos i posted, and made your comments based on your bias.
No I did not watch those long videos, as I know both of the people that produced them by reputation...Life is too short to waste it on such nonsense....Regarding bias...I just follow the science.
LOL, as he types this yet another Cat 5 hurricane bears down on the Caribbean, right on the heels of Harvey (50+ inches of rain in Texas, unprecedented) and Irma (first time the US has seen back-to-back Cat 4's, and Irma set a record for longest sustained 180+ mph winds).
Human-induced climate change is doing a triple face-slap to North America. These severe hurricanes are all fed by hot oceans warmed by CO2 emitted by human activity. It isn't alarmism. The models don't matter. It's actual facts on the ground, right here, right now.
Yea, and he also said that warming has ceased since 1998, even though the previous few years have each broken the record (of the year previous to it) of the highest average temperature.
I don't think you'll ever reach the paranoid, delusional Alex Jones crowd. Unfortunately for the world, Donald Trump falls into this category. Once again Republicans drag this country, and by extension the world, down with them.
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Yes. There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see. Science teaches not to eat where we poop. Only some people will believe this.