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there is more than enough correlation at this point to be absolutely certain that removing guns lowers the murder rate. we have a number of nations that did it and many many more where we can see gun ownership and murder rates correlating. yeah yeah we all understand the limits of correlations , but the weight of proof is on my side, your side has NOTHING.
You don't see people openly committing crimes very often? why? because they are illegal and they are likely to be stopped and punished. Thus various crimes are greatly reduced simply because opportunity is greatly reduced.
It is pretty basic stuff.
Do you not understand that mass murder is against the law?
As a matter of fact, every mass shooting in US history was illegal. I did the research. You're welcome.
No, it would not. Australia is a perfect example. Mass murders did not decline. Mass murders by guns did. Mass murders by other means increased significantly, making it virtually a wash.
Why do YOU think, in theory, it would decline? Isn't murder already against the law?
Do you have some actual statistics, facts, anything regarding those Australia claims?
"Fewer people are being murdered in Australia, with the nation’s homicide rate hitting an all-time record low."...
LOL, hand tool? did you even watch your own video? The film showed them using a Takisawa tooling machine for borrowing the gun barrels. A new one of those costs somewhere between 15 to 150 thousand and the number of companies that make machines like that are really limited. This is as rudimentary as it gets and they still need loads of large machining tools, lots of good quality metal, electricity, a water supply, a large warehouse and an army of workers.
I'll wait until the facts are presented to comment. Until then it's all speculation.
Far as limiting firearms and ammo goes. Nope. That's a separate discussion in of itself. To exploit tragedy is the only argument anti gunners have.
If put to a vote, I say segregate the country. Gun owners go here. Anti gun crowd goes there. Everyone will be happy. You can't regulate evil. Punishing me and others like me who compete in shooting sports, isn't the answer.
If I had the land, and the money, I'd have a couple belt fed full autos myself. I'm not bothering anyone. Just converting dollars into spent brass at a high cyclic rate and having a good time.
Unlike those who live in fear, I don't want to live in a bubble surrounded by thick padding.
I want to parachute out of an airplane. I want to take a top fuel dragster down a 1/4 mile at over 300mph, I want to launch dirtbikes and quads off steep jumps and blast through a technical woops section, I want to continue utilizing the magazines you seek to ban in 3 gun competitions, I want to take a chance, a risk, and drive to a destination.
I do not want to forfeit my rights and liberties in exchange for your idea of a utopia.
I do not want to live in a Gun Free society. Ever. Hence why I left NY post Safe Act after attempting multiple times attending multiple rallies to overturn the nonsensical firearm legislation, and moved to a gun friendly state.
You might be comfortable trading liberty for comfort, I'm not.
Until all of the facts come to light about the incident I will not comment on it other than I heard from a cousin who attended and she is safe with a minor injury (skinned knee) from being knocked down when people started to run.
Interesting, I wonder what Amazon (owner of the WP) are trying to sell that CNN wont go along with? Did CNN decline some deal to be part of their Alexa platform or something?
Lawsuits are expensive as well. Gun safes may be cheaper.
Well, maybe they will demand people declare their guns and explain why they have them. Maybe fill out a form and register those guns. Maybe they won't even let you stay there with your guns. Or there can be special hunting hotels lodges for those with guns, where everyone signs a waiver in case they are shot or killed. Who knows?
You think that hunters cannot be inconvenienced? Smokers are.
You think hotels will not be held liable for crazy guests shooting people in or from their hotel? People will need assurances it is safe to stay in hotels.
Sad that this is what it has come to in this country, but mass carnage will do that.
Remember when you could pretty much just get on a plane?
Any hotel that does that, especially in an area that caters to hunting types, will go out of business. Firearm owners (and hunters) are almost 100% middle class and higher. People who don't have some means cannot afford shooting as a hobby, because it isn't cheap.
Besides that, I'm sure I speak for many gun owners when I say: **** off. It isn't any of your business what firearms I own, how many I own, or what I do with them unless I am shooting at someone/something and it isn't in defense of my life or somebody else's.
As usual, the left are starting to politicize this tragic event and want more laws or knee jerk reactions that don't do anything to stop criminals from getting guns. This Paddock individual was "known" to Las Vegas police, and we're hearing that his father was a wanted bank robber.
Put the blame for this horrific act where it belongs and before everyone starts pointing fingers, let's see what this guy's motives were, and what made him snap.
what on earth are you talking about? There is a reference in there to the shooter's father being a criminal - a fact which I shared up thread hours ago and which has already been discussed a bit in this thread.
there is nothing in your link about any "dark details" regarding the shooter beyond his already now known family history.
I have no issue with shotguns or hunting rifles. Both of which are rarely used in crime. Nobody needs 30 rounds to bring down a deer.
Let me put you out hunting a deer and you get lost, say you break an arm in a fall.
Now which would you rather have in that situation, a pocket full of rounds that you have to load one handed or a box magazine or two that only takes one hand to insert.
The stories of people getting lost while hunting is not unknown.
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