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Old 03-27-2018, 01:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Kavalier View Post
You're doing yourself no favors here.



A few things:


1. According to your article gun-used deaths were already IN DECLINE in Australia.

2. According to your article a 3 percent decline to a 5 percent decline is "accelerated significantly". Seriously?? Maybe if it went from a decline of 3 percent to 15 percent, or 3 percent to 30 percent would I consider that "accelerated significantly," but your biased source is smoking dope if they think a difference of 3 to 5 is "significant".

3. You're deliberately side-stepping the most important fact: making guns illegal had no effect on HOMICIDES, whatever the way they were carried out.

From my previous source:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-fa...ontrol/207152/


Lol. Do you understand what statistical significance means? Oh, sorry I asked.
Am I going to believe your source or a scientific paper in JAMA (peer reviewed journal with an impact factor of 40+ or something like this)? I think you know the answer.
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Old 03-27-2018, 01:13 PM
 
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The devil's in the details. While there have been fewer mass shootings since then, the number of people killed in mass deaths of other means has skyrocketed, making the number virtually the same. While almost nobody died from arson before the gun grab, afterwards mass killing by arson skyrocketed, as did mass killings by beatings, stabbings and vehicles.

Cherry picking is never a good tactic for proving your point.

Mass murder by arson, beatings and stabbing s? WHat the bleep are you talking about?? Lol. I call bull on this one.
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Old 03-27-2018, 01:15 PM
 
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The devil's in the details. While there have been fewer mass shootings since then, the number of people killed in mass deaths of other means has skyrocketed, making the number virtually the same. While almost nobody died from arson before the gun grab, afterwards mass killing by arson skyrocketed, as did mass killings by beatings, stabbings and vehicles.

Cherry picking is never a good tactic for proving your point.
No. Read the article.
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Old 03-27-2018, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Nowhere
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Lol. Do you understand what statistical significance means? Oh, sorry I asked.
Am I going to believe your source or a scientific paper in JAMA (peer reviewed journal with an impact factor of 40+ or something like this)? I think you know the answer.
Homicides were already in decline before the confiscation/buy back (whatever you want to call it).

And they remained relatively stagnant since the confiscation/buy back (whatever you want to call it).

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Old 03-27-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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A forced buy back is a confiscation. Hence the word force. When did we vote on the Constitution? We voted on gay marriage too.
Of all the first world nations with firearms controls, which ones had forced buy-backs?

The point of the word "voting" was to show it was what the citizens of those country CHOSE as in 'actual liberty and freedom of choice'?

You aren't so lucky. You're now stuck with arming yourselves to protect yourselves from your own citizens in the perfect illustration of a "catch 22" you cannot do anything but ballyhoo as something superior.

The rest of the world will consider themselves lucky to have avoided such a Constitutionally granted fear based conundrum.
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Old 03-27-2018, 01:32 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Of all the first world nations with firearms controls, which ones had forced buy-backs?

The point of the word "voting" was to show it was what the citizens of those country CHOSE as in 'actual liberty and freedom of choice'?

You aren't so lucky. You're now stuck with arming yourselves to protect yourselves from your own citizens in the perfect illustration of a "catch 22" you cannot do anything but ballyhoo as something superior.

The rest of the world will consider themselves lucky to have avoided such a Constitutionally granted fear based conundrum.
Well actually not. I'm got a gang banger, can't legally CCW yet I'm still not worried about it one bit. I live in San Diego, we have a low crime rate. I can still own about any firearm I want. Matter of fact I am damn lucky.
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Old 03-27-2018, 02:53 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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I would love to see the NRA explain this one.
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Old 03-27-2018, 03:19 PM
 
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Well actually not. I'm got a gang banger, can't legally CCW yet I'm still not worried about it one bit. I live in San Diego, we have a low crime rate. I can still own about any firearm I want. Matter of fact I am damn lucky.
Of course you are.
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:53 AM
 
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I would love to see the NRA explain this one.
I thought this thread was about guns.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:47 AM
 
Location: MS
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I would love to see the NRA explain this one.
How are those numbers gathered? Because Our Town or whatever Bloomberg calls his gun grabbing group this week includes suicides in those numbers. Does the EU do that as well?

Another contributor to our numbers are legal shootings. It's difficult to have a legal shooting in the EU when most of those countries ban personal firearms or restrict them so much that there is no such thing as legal self defense with a gun.

Another contributor to the higher gun homicide are gangs shooting gangs in the US. If they kept it to themselves, I'd encourage it but occasionally a citizen is hit with a stray and not is not acceptable.

So if you get down to your average citizen getting targeted by a perp with a gun then it is very rare. Not rare enough for me to stop carrying but rare none the less.
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