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86 people were killed and 428 injured by someone with a truck in France. Guns are not the most or even more effective tool for killing large numbers of people.
Why would US folk kill more people than Europeans or Australians? It's certainly not because of the guns, that's a stupid argument. It's 100% culture. Parts of the US with demographics similar to countries in Europe or Australia don't kill more people.
Which parts? The white U.S murder rate for example is 3.4 per 100,000 or around that in the U.S for example while in Europe only “murder” capitals excluding parts of Russian Europe get that high the murder rate in most European countries is between 1.3 and 0.7 murders per 100,000, much less than the white murder rate. Only New Hampshire, Maine and one other state have close to the European rate and they normally are on the higher end.
Even swtizerland doesn’t have the same gun culture as us and even with less restrictions on guns have a higher gun murder rate than the rest of Europe they just manage to be so incredibly safe that they have a low murder rate anyways. Guns range from 3 times to roughly 10 times depending on the region surveyed more deadly than Knives any country that has knives will be considerable safer in terms of murders than the U.S. let’s say the U.K. has 100 knife attacks that translates into like 7 or so deaths. Let’s say the U.S has 100 gun attacks that translates into 29 deaths or so on average, no comparison at all. That doesn’t even take into the fact that guns have a range that knives simply do not have and you can outrun a knife wielding attached while outrunning a gun wielding attacker is much harder. In fact the U.K police have even be so good at keeping knives out of the hands of bad guys that they’ve resulted to acid throwing other criminals or innocents, while acid is painful and causes more permanent damage to your face it is even less life threatening than knives and rarely results in death.
Post is simply an idiot argument. Gangs and criminals exist throughout Europe. And some are extremely violent.
Put it this way. You really think homicide rates would not go down if we cut the 300 million or so weapons in the US to say 30 million?
The defense of the second has to be that it saves more lives than it costs. The NRA does not much like that argument as it is hard to prove. that is because it may not be true.
Nope. They wont. They will simply change the implement. It has been proven in the UK and elsewhere the implement changes.
If you were to have your wish granted and every cartridge, every rifle, pistol, shotgun etc were to disappear and the knowledge to make them were to be completely erased.
You solved NOTHING
The implement will change.
BUT HEY YOU GOT RID OF GUNS AT LEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Serious question with that. If you were to make firearms disappear ammo disappear, What else will you be wishing to banish and destroy? Serious question. You really think going after implements is going to solve anything?
Look at the FBI UCR data. You going to ban fists feet knives? They kill more than AR15s do...
30 yrs I have been here and all I hear is Boohoo guns are bad they need to go... Yet... I witness quite the opposite. Millions of others too...
However. You were to wish upon your shooting star for evil to disappear and or the incentive that promotes evil. You could FLOOD the world with firearms and ammo. Everyone could have 1,000s of them. With no incentive to do harm, with no evil thoughts present. You would have 0 murders/attacks with a firearm or any weapon for that matter.
Not one murder would occur.
Take the McDonalds approach for example.
Muh Obesity! Yes. Lets punish McDonalds for peoples poor choices and living on fast food.
What is it with the liberals and their cancerous ideology that the individuals that make up this "utopia" they seek to establish, HAVE A PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY? Nope. That goes the wayside. Lets excuse bad behavior, lets excuse **** poor choices, encourage others to become victims and blame all of their woes on some other entity, implement, product, manufacturer to be responsible for others behavior, others poor choices, others self inflicted conditions.
So We established your gun free zones don't work. Time and Time again. Epic Fail.
You are not going to repeal the 2nd. You are not going to get your magic ban. You are not going to curtail rights of those currently alive and of future generations to come. Keep pushing for it though, you only solidify us.
We aren't the ones going out and committing crimes. We aren't the ones going and shooting schools.
We are the ones you should be consulting with to solve these issues. Not putting blind faith in a retard hypocrite like Dianne Fienstein.
Selfish? No. Selfish is forcing others to comply to your will. It isn't selfish to preserve our constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Selfish would be exploiting tragedy to push your agenda.
I asked before. You with me on fixing the issue or do you want to keep standing on the fallen to push your agenda? I seek to establish a proactive measure in stopping these things.
You seek to perpetuate it by claiming or being under the impression that gun free zones work. That would again be ignorant to believe after time and time again, proven they don't.
Nope. They wont. They will simply change the implement. It has been proven in the UK and elsewhere the implement changes.
If you were to have your wish granted and every cartridge, every rifle, pistol, shotgun etc were to disappear and the knowledge to make them were to be completely erased.
You solved NOTHING
The implement will change.
BUT HEY YOU GOT RID OF GUNS AT LEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Serious question with that. If you were to make firearms disappear ammo disappear, What else will you be wishing to banish and destroy? Serious question. You really think going after implements is going to solve anything?
Look at the FBI UCR data. You going to ban fists feet knives? They kill more than AR15s do...
30 yrs I have been here and all I hear is Boohoo guns are bad they need to go... Yet... I witness quite the opposite. Millions of others too...
However. You were to wish upon your shooting star for evil to disappear and or the incentive that promotes evil. You could FLOOD the world with firearms and ammo. Everyone could have 1,000s of them. With no incentive to do harm, with no evil thoughts present. You would have 0 murders/attacks with a firearm or any weapon for that matter.
Not one murder would occur.
Take the McDonalds approach for example.
Muh Obesity! Yes. Lets punish McDonalds for peoples poor choices and living on fast food.
What is it with the liberals and their cancerous ideology that the individuals that make up this "utopia" they seek to establish, HAVE A PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY? Nope. That goes the wayside. Lets excuse bad behavior, lets excuse **** poor choices, encourage others to become victims and blame all of their woes on some other entity, implement, product, manufacturer to be responsible for others behavior, others poor choices, others self inflicted conditions.
So We established your gun free zones don't work. Time and Time again. Epic Fail.
You are not going to repeal the 2nd. You are not going to get your magic ban. You are not going to curtail rights of those currently alive and of future generations to come. Keep pushing for it though, you only solidify us.
We aren't the ones going out and committing crimes. We aren't the ones going and shooting schools.
We are the ones you should be consulting with to solve these issues. Not putting blind faith in a retard hypocrite like Dianne Fienstein.
Selfish? No. Selfish is forcing others to comply to your will. It isn't selfish to preserve our constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Selfish would be exploiting tragedy to push your agenda.
I asked before. You with me on fixing the issue or do you want to keep standing on the fallen to push your agenda? I seek to establish a proactive measure in stopping these things.
You seek to perpetuate it by claiming or being under the impression that gun free zones work. That would again be ignorant to believe after time and time again, proven they don't.
Again your post is nonsense piled higher and deeper.
Homicide rate in England is well less than a fourth of the US and gun homicides are 1/32 that of the US
Overall crime rate is actually a good bit higher. But they don't kill each other. And incarceration rate is a small fraction of the US..
Face it. Gun availability leads to a high death toll and always will. Your argument needs to be those deaths buy good things. But you seem unable to deal with that. Why? You don't believe it?
Again your post is nonsense piled higher and deeper.
Homicide rate in England is well less than a fourth of the US and gun homicides are 1/32 that of the US
Overall crime rate is actually a good bit higher. But they don't kill each other. And incarceration rate is a small fraction of the US..
Face it. Gun availability leads to a high death toll and always will. Your argument needs to be those deaths buy good things. But you seem unable to deal with that. Why? You don't believe it?
Gun availability solely is not responsible as you paint it to be...
You are avoiding time and time again you and all you anti gun crowd do this all of the time...
Guns go up, Crime goes down.
Mass shootings are not the norm... And there are ways to stop them. But you dont want that to happen. Nobody to exploit that way to push your agenda.
Those deaths buy good things?
Here is where Your logic and blind faith in rates is flawed...
We did this before when someone claimed Louisiana was the worse state for violent crime.
Ya ready for "Muh Rates" to be destroyed?
The entire population of Louisiana can fit in most major cities...
OF COURSE that states rate is going to be higher in terms of per 100k.
Put the entire state of Louisiana and compare that to Los Angeles or NYC or Dallas etc if you want a somewhat fair comparison. OR go one further and look where the crime is. Surprise Surprise. Blue held New Orleans and Baton Rouge.
So of course the UKs rates would be lower, their population is significantly lower! They could fit in California or Florida!
Stop being intellectually disingenuous compare China or Russia something comparable in land mass to the US.
Can't correct the rate now can ya? Nope. Well maybe. If you were to multiply the population and the "rate" to Americas then you could.
Not another "America" to compare to is there? Nope...
So be disingenuous and keep right on comparing the UK and Australia to here... While ignoring the fact that their murderers have turned to alternative measures to kill. But hey... They didn't do it with guns and that's all that matters after all right?
Still waiting to see how I or millions of others are some how beholden to submit to your backwards cancerous ideology of forfeiture/bans to appease you. We are not the ones responsible. Thats a false equivalency of the highest order.
Speaking of being unable to deal with something... How is it as gun ownership and CCW increases, crime decreases?
Do you really want to double down on the Correlation isn't Causation and defy your own argument again?
Gun availability solely is not responsible as you paint it to be...
You are avoiding time and time again you and all you anti gun crowd do this all of the time...
Guns go up, Crime goes down.
Mass shootings are not the norm... And there are ways to stop them. But you dont want that to happen. Nobody to exploit that way to push your agenda.
Those deaths buy good things?
Here is where Your logic and blind faith in rates is flawed...
We did this before when someone claimed Louisiana was the worse state for violent crime.
Ya ready for "Muh Rates" to be destroyed?
The entire population of Louisiana can fit in most major cities...
OF COURSE that states rate is going to be higher in terms of per 100k.
Put the entire state of Louisiana and compare that to Los Angeles or NYC or Dallas etc if you want a somewhat fair comparison. OR go one further and look where the crime is. Surprise Surprise. Blue held New Orleans and Baton Rouge.
So of course the UKs rates would be lower, their population is significantly lower! They could fit in California or Florida!
Stop being intellectually disingenuous compare China or Russia something comparable in land mass to the US.
Can't correct the rate now can ya? Nope. Well maybe. If you were to multiply the population and the "rate" to Americas then you could.
Not another "America" to compare to is there? Nope...
So be disingenuous and keep right on comparing the UK and Australia to here... While ignoring the fact that their murderers have turned to alternative measures to kill. But hey... They didn't do it with guns and that's all that matters after all right?
Still waiting to see how I or millions of others are some how beholden to submit to your backwards cancerous ideology of forfeiture/bans to appease you. We are not the ones responsible. Thats a false equivalency of the highest order.
Speaking of being unable to deal with something... How is it as gun ownership and CCW increases, crime decreases?
Do you really want to double down on the Correlation isn't Causation and defy your own argument again?
Lol. Drinking or not understanding math, or both? We are talking about RATES, as in that many per 100k people. Got it? So size as long as it is big enough does not matter, and UK is 66 million, so that's plenty.
In fact UK murder rate is on par with some of the safest suburbs in US, which should be telling you something but probably does not.
Gun violence is disproportionately urban (ie, black. hispanic)...if you back that out, we have the same homicide rates as some Western European countries, like Belgium.
This is a demographics problem, more than a firearm problem.
Then why would US folk kill people a lot more than Europeans or Australians?
You might make the charge that guns are merely a tool..
But the presence of good tools in quantity makes the urge to kill more effective.
Are you serious? How many gun deaths per 1000 people does Europe have? How about Australia? Seems to me Europe is in the News all the time, about mass killings by guns bombs and vehicles. No one cares what your opinion is on " Tools" since it makes no sense at all. I know a lot of people that have a good quantity of guns I their homes, but none of them has had the urge to go kill their neighbor.
Nice Liberal try to make a gun the reason, but you failed.
Again your post is nonsense piled higher and deeper.
Homicide rate in England is well less than a fourth of the US and gun homicides are 1/32 that of the US
Overall crime rate is actually a good bit higher. But they don't kill each other. And incarceration rate is a small fraction of the US..
Face it. Gun availability leads to a high death toll and always will. Your argument needs to be those deaths buy good things. But you seem unable to deal with that. Why? You don't believe it?
Actually there should be more guns in the US and everyone that wants to carry one should be able to do so. No one cares what England does or doesn't do. They have their own problems with the refugees that are Terrorists. So they may not shoot each other as much, but they blow up each other or run down folks with trucks. If they all had guns, that would not happen as much. . MORE GUNS LESS CRIME.
Post is simply an idiot argument. Gangs and criminals exist throughout Europe. And some are extremely violent.
Put it this way. You really think homicide rates would not go down if we cut the 300 million or so weapons in the US to say 30 million?
The defense of the second has to be that it saves more lives than it costs. The NRA does not much like that argument as it is hard to prove. that is because it may not be true.
Go ahead. Cut down the number of guns in this Country. I am sure you have a car, so take off in the morning and go door to door and start disarming folks. Your welcome to start here if you like. I will let folks know how you made out.
Fists and handheld weapons such as knives are seen by much of the violent youth section as being an anachronism to conflict resolution in todays world. Yesterdays bans on switchblade (now called 'automatics') knives, are considered even by LE to be gestures of impotence. The days of the switchblade being the weapon of choice in gang violence are way over.
I'm not sure about that. There were two stabbings local to my area in New Rochelle High Schoo in the last month, one non-fatal,l (link), and the other one fatal, fatal stabbing of Valaree Schwab last week.
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the implement changes.
