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Again, for the thousandth time, the neo-nazis can say all they want, it does NOT make it true.
Ideologically, Nazis, KKK, communists, socialists, and democrats have far more in common than anybody from the right. They may disagree with each other on some issues, but at the core, they are all evil and disgusting totalitarians. No way they can implement anything without a totalitarian government.
And that is the fact!
It is not a fact. Democrats are much, MUCHHHHHH closer to the American right than any of the other parties/groups you mention above.
I can't believe this has to be explained.
The fact that you think this way tells me that debating with you is completely futile.
Although I believe I and several others have already explained it (it is not difficult). Here is a description of the differnet right wing factions. I made a posting but it probably belongs here instead. Here is the article.
Just because there are some Democratic voters that live in a segregated city, that doesn't change the philosophical definition of "left-wing".
Here's a clue: ALL Chicago Democratic voters live in the US's most racially segregated city.
None of them ever cared a whit to change that.
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You are reaching here, are ignoring historical realities, and are making broad assumptions to make a irrelevant and off-topic point (e.g. that 1980's Democrats are equivalent to today's (unlikely)...that it was even Democrats that were behind the racist policies and "white flight" that lead to the segregation...that these Democrats even represent the "left-wing" at all (As we have seen with the shift in voting from D to R in the Midwest, it is not as simple as you think it is)).
There was no White flight among the White Dems that were living in the city. What they wanted was to keep Blacks from integrating into their neighborhoods. You know how they did that? By establishing Neighborhood Covenants that banned Blacks from buying/renting homes in their neighborhoods.
No way in hell is the left-wing "egalitarian." They're the most NIMBY racists there are. News article after news article clearly shows that the most racially segregated cities and schools are heavily left-wing. Blue cities and states.
Clearly, you have some kind of romanticized notion of what you believe to be left-wing ideology. The reality is completely different. Left-wing regimes have murdered over 100 million people in just the 20th century, alone.
And so is what you wrote. But you said "it's a fact".
No, it is not.
What I wrote is not untrue if you actually look at modern-day Democrats and Republicans. They are much closer to each other, and moderate, than the extreme political systems of the left-wing and the right-wing. Sure, they're each moving in slightly more extreme directions, but they are not anywhere near the regimes you speak of.
Democrats and Republicans agree on many, many things. We spend a lot of time focusing on the areas where they don't agree (and political debates/firestorms are focused in those areas)...but you're missing the forest for the trees here.
I have a very hard time believing that you lived in an authoritarian communist country...if you did, you would not write what you wrote about the American Democratic party.
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Here's a clue: ALL Chicago Democratic voters live in the US's most racially segregated city.
None of them ever cared a whit to change that.
And you know this...how? And also, how do you know how they were voting? Do you have data to support these wild accusations? If so, please share (let's be specific here, I'm looking for a breakdown of voting by race and by neighborhoods).
And what makes you think they were even what you would define as "left-wing"? I'd also seriously question the assumption that Chicago, especially pre-1980's, was very liberal, especially by today's standards.
You're, again, reaching and making a lot of assumptions. And.........once again....ignoring the historical context.
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There was no White flight among the White Dems that were living in the city.
There was a ton of white flight out of Chicago and in all major cities in the US. You need to look at the history - you are, again, ignoring it.
And let's see a breakdown of the voting by neighborhood. And, while you're at it, please provide data on how "left-wing" they were. I challenge this assumption.
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What they wanted was to keep Blacks from integrating into their neighborhoods. You know how they did that? By establishing Neighborhood Covenants that banned Blacks from buying/renting homes in their neighborhoods.
Oh - I'm aware. This happened in all cities in America. As I shared with you earlier in this thread. Conveniently (!!!!) ignored by you (lol...of course, it's not a coincidence you are ignoring that data).
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No way in hell is the left-wing "egalitarian." They're the most NIMBY racists there are.
These policies were very racist, and were embraced by all parties and in all cities. Read. The. History.
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News article after news article clearly shows that the most racially segregated cities and schools are heavily left-wing. Blue cities and states.
No, none of your data actually shows that, actually. What you have said is that "Chicago, as a whole, votes blue", and then made enormous assumptions about the past voting behaviors and where those voters would fall on the "left/right" scale....to then say that "left-wing" is not "egalitarian". I'm sorry, but this example doesn't prove that.
The fact that America used to be more racist as a whole (regardless of political background) is no secret to anyone anywhere. Are you claiming that it is? And that you are revealing some deep secret? Hint: you are not.
It is very complicated and goes well beyond political affiliation.
The issue that I have been challenging you on is that this is somehow a representation of the entire "left-wing". It is not. I know you will continue on this, and I'm getting frankly tired of the back and forth. So please create another thread on this matter if you would like to discuss it.
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Clearly, you have some kind of romanticized notion of what you believe to be left-wing ideology.
The reality is completely different. Left-wing regimes have murdered over 100 million people in just the 20th century, alone.[/quote]
OK, are we now jumping from segregated cities back to authoritarian Nazism, authoritarian Facism, and authoritarian Communism? You are ALL over the place.
You keep making excuses for extremely racist NIMBY left-wingers, left-wing gun grabbers/banners (similar to Hitler and the Nazis, and Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the US), and the left-wing regimes that murdered over 100 million people in just the 20th century, alone.
Aren't you recognizing the pattern?
Take off your blinders and look much more carefully at the truth.
And it's not just race. Look at San Fransisco, ultra left-wing, and has a severe problem with homelessness. How is that "egalitarian?"
It's not. Not even remotely so.
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