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I think your number ignored the deaths caused by Nazis and fascists which were derivatives of communism and socialism.
That very well may be.
I'm not getting how anyone thinks Hitler/Nazis were anything but left-wing: socialists who exerted authoritarian control and committed mass genocide/democide.
What is the American left-wing doing? Trying to shut down Free Speech and demanding gun bans/control (just to name two things, for example), two forms of authoritarian control.
"Fascism is on the march today in America. Millionaires are marching to the tune. It will come in this country unless a strong defense is set up by all liberal and progressive forces... A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government, and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. Aboard ship a prominent executive of one of America's largest financial corporations told me point blank that if the progressive trend of the Roosevelt administration continued, he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism to America."-former U.S. ambassador to Germany William Dodd in 1938
I'm not getting how anyone thinks Hitler/Nazis were anything but left-wing: socialists who exerted authoritarian control and committed mass genocide/democide.
Historians disagree with you. The reasons for why Nazism is aligned on the "far right" are clearly laid out in the literature (some of which has been cited and quoted in this very thread).
I personally think Nazism in Germany was neither "right" or "left", at least in the way we think about it here in America. It was authoritarian and completely racist and evil, of course. I can't think of anyone on the "left" that has anything in common with Nazism. And if you legitimately think so, I question your perspective on reality.
You are making a very strange argument that is not supported by any research that I have seen.
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What is the American left-wing doing? Trying to shut down Free Speech
We have a President doing that without any help from the "left". See his latest tweets and statements on the matter. You know it's bad when even people like Rush Limbaugh are calling him out.
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and demanding gun bans/control (just to name two things, for example), two forms of authoritarian control.
No one is calling for bans of guns. We have had gun control for decades, and people on all sides of the political aisle have been in favor it.
If the subject is fascism, here's what you need to know:
"Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual." -Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile, The Doctrine of Fascism, 1923
"For Fascism, society is the end, individuals the means, and its whole life consists in using individuals as instruments for its social ends." - Alfredo Rocco, Mussolini's Minister of Justice, speaking at Perugia, August 30, 1925
"The higher interests involved in the life of the whole...must set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual." -Hitler, speaking at Bueckeburg, October 7, 1933
Both of the latter two are describing socialism, which is left-wing. Both are advocating subjucating the individual to benefit the collective society. That is NOT right-wing ideology.
The word "fascism" includes fascis as its root. The meaning is "bundle" and it is used to represent collective power. Collectivism. Fascism is left-wing at its very roots.
(Note that classical liberalism is very close to libertarianism, not the authoritarian left-wing we currently have in the US.)
Seriously? You somehow don't know about the 100+ millions of people killed (usually by democide) by leftist regimes?
I'd hardly call Stalinist Russia pure "Marxism" or communism. He was evil and authoritarian to his core. He cared very little about his people, and only wanted power/control.
As was Hitler, who was not a communist, but a facist dictator interested in ridding the world of people he deemed unworthy.
That is not left-wing thinking by any stretch of the imagination. You are trying to use words like "socialist" in the Nazi parties name to prove a point...but you ignore what their actions said about them. This thinking is antithetical to thinking you find on the left today.
I also don't know anyone that wants communism in America, left or right (I certainly don't!). Do you know anyone that legitimately wants this? Do remember, socialist ideas != communism. They are not the same thing.
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Now I KNOW you're flat out lying.
Eh? Care to send me legislation about banning guns?
I'm pretty sure you can still buy guns in this country, last time I checked (and we sure love to buy them here, that's for sure!).
I'd hardly call Stalinist Russia pure "Marxism" or communism. He was evil and authoritarian to his core. He cared very little about his people, and only wanted power/control.
As was Hitler, who was not a communist, but a facist dictator interested in ridding the world of people he deemed unworthy.
Read the quotes I posted. They clarify exactly what Hitler's ideology was: the subjugation of the individual to the benefit of the collective society. That's left-wing to its very core.
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Eh? Care to send me legislation about banning guns?
A blog? That ignores the etymology of the word fascism (root meaning: collective) and quotes from fascist dictators as to exactly what they want (the subjugation of the individual to the benefit of the collective society)?
Are you that easily duped? Serious question.
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