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Old 10-12-2017, 03:36 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I'm well aware of the points brought up in it. It is very disingenuous to claim it is somehow linked to political party, though. How do suburbs, even in "blue states", often vote?
Why ask about the suburbs? The Chicago Magazine article is about the city.

And there's also this, again, referring to the city:

Chicago: America's most segregated city - CNN
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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An interesting .jpg---I hunted down it's beginnings...and to no surprise...found a lot of 'Statist/Anti-statist' stuff

some interesting attempt to rewrite the texts and redefine terms...I waded into it...garbage. some gems in the rubbish..but the premise is flawed.

For those who are interested:

https://www.theobjectivestandard.com...ical-spectrum/



As to Right and left:

"The key here is understanding the left right spectrum as what it means. A simple way to describe it is that left wingers are progressive, and that right wingers are conservative. So left wingers want to change things, and right wingers want to keep things the way they are/change them to the way things were. Extreme left wingers are called radicals (like the black panthers) and want lots of change to the point of unfeasibility. Extreme right wingers are the opposite and want to change things back to something unreasonable (think KKK, bit more extreme than black panthers). They are called reactionaries. Fascism and Nazism were examples of right wing movements.
So within these definitions we can see that racist tendencies occur with right wingers because right wingers want to change policy to that of the past/keep current laws in place (which are still racist sometimes). And policy of the past is generally more racist than policy today."
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:39 PM
 
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Why ask about the suburbs? The Chicago Magazine article is about the city.

And there's also this, again, referring to the city:

Chicago: America's most segregated city - CNN
It is the same exact issue at work. It is most pronounced at the city vs. suburb level. I had many more questions listed, that you conveniently ignored, too. Nice work!


But you likely know this.


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...ies-180963494/

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...d-well/399980/

https://tcf.org/content/facts/americ...ng-segregated/
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:39 PM
 
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Was Mao a nazi? No. Was Castro a nazi? No. We are talking about nazis in Germany.
They were both military dictators who confiscated privately owned possessions and wealth to fund their military dictatorships. Sound familiar? It should. Hitler and the Nazis did exactly the same thing.

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Read a book.
I would suggest it's you who needs to become better informed.
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:42 PM
 
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One only needs to look at the views and the actions of the nazis, to see socialism was not on their to-do list.
Then why confiscate and redistribute personally-owned wealth? That's a very strong socialism ideology.
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:45 PM
 
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It is the same exact issue at work. It is most pronounced at the city vs. suburb level. I had many more questions listed, that you conveniently ignored, too. Nice work!


But you likely know this.
You want to know how residents in Chicago, the most racially segregated city in the US, vote? Fine: heavily Dem.

I thought everyone knew that.
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:48 PM
 
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You want to know how residents in Chicago, the most racially segregated city in the US, vote? Fine: heavily Dem.

I thought everyone knew that.
And you did it again.

Segregation is not a result of current voting patterns.


If you are actually interested in having an HONEST conversation about this, why don't you look at the historical context of when segregation happened?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...ies-180963494/

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...d-well/399980/

https://tcf.org/content/facts/americ...ng-segregated/


Do you really think it is so simple that this has to do with modern-day voting patterns? Come on, I can't think you really believe that simplistic explanation. Or maybe you do.


Honestly, I'm not interested in talking about this if you have not taken the time to research the history.
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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I have a hard time deciding whether the right wingers on this thread trying to claim that Hitler was a left winger because his party was called “National Socialist” are really that ignorant or whether they’re just trying to troll.
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Old 10-12-2017, 05:25 PM
 
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I am not sure the point of arguing this. Can we at least agree that both communism and socialism are left ideologies and both are more evil than Nazism and fascism?
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Old 10-12-2017, 05:27 PM
 
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I have a hard time deciding whether the right wingers on this thread trying to claim that Hitler was a left winger because his party was called “National Socialist” are really that ignorant or whether they’re just trying to troll.
Right, National socialist party is left wing.
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