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Old 10-14-2017, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Since when do heavily Dem cities with large populations not want to help the poor? Honestly, their continuing lack of adequately addressing the needs of their own poor is extremely hypocritical. Charity begins at home.
Its almost like those dem cities aren't really all that leftist.
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Old 10-14-2017, 09:52 AM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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I am. I don't see where in the US Constitution the Fed Gov is responsible for providing health care. The Fed Gov IS, however, responsible for providing for national defense.

Oh, please. That's such a lame allegation. George Washington’s Mount Vernon was a working plantation during his presidency, so did its international tobacco sales to foreign governments or officials violate the Emoluments Clause? No.

And too many in the MSM have been running supposed "news" stories without fact checking, therefore reporting fake news. Calling out fake news as exactly such is ALSO a First Amendment right, no?
Read the article, government has been involved with providing health care since the nation started.
They must have interpreted it somewhere, maybe the Declaration of Independence?
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Old 10-14-2017, 10:36 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Its almost like those dem cities aren't really all that leftist.
How do they vote? Left-wing? Or right-wing? Tells you all you need to know.
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Old 10-14-2017, 10:40 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Read the article, government has been involved with providing health care since the nation started.
They must have interpreted it somewhere, maybe the Declaration of Independence?
Hmmm... Why is it that my parents had no health insurance, the government didn't pay, so they paid for the births of myself and my brother themselves? Likewise, when we had to go to the doctor, the government didn't pay, and they had no insurance. My parents paid themselves.

Where was this government-provided health care we were supposed to be getting?
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Old 10-14-2017, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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How do they vote? Left-wing? Or right-wing? Tells you all you need to know.
Democrats are a center right party so....
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Old 10-14-2017, 10:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Democrats are a center right party so....
So why insist on taxes to provide for the poor? The right believes in personal responsibilty to support oneself and one's dependents, and absent that among some, voluntary charity.

Like I said... St Jude's and the Shriners have charity hospitals for kids. Why don't liberals open and voluntarily fund charity hospitals/clinics for the poor?
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Old 10-14-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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I think it may go deeper than magical thinking. Once you recognize your own vulnerability, you have to recognize the vulnerability of other people. Strip away all of the excuses, and it comes down to one thing, and one thing only: am I okay with people dying over money? Most people here who oppose health care for all have not been willing to actually say such a thing, but that's what it comes down to.
I guess many are "okay" over people dying. On another thread, a few posters admitted they don't care if others die. Probably children even. Doesn't matter to them at all. Well, unless it's their daughters, sons, brothers, wives. grandmothers, grandfathers...well maybe not even them...
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Old 10-14-2017, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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We may need to expand our definition of "poor" when the rumored premium increases for the ACA for middle-class people go into effect, with or without Trump's monkey wrench.

https://resources.ehealthinsurance.c...able-many-2018

Obamacare Premiums Set to Skyrocket in 2018

2018 Rate Hikes | ACA Signups
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Old 10-14-2017, 11:16 AM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Hmmm... Why is it that my parents had no health insurance, the government didn't pay, so they paid for the births of myself and my brother themselves? Likewise, when we had to go to the doctor, the government didn't pay, and they had no insurance. My parents paid themselves.

Where was this government-provided health care we were supposed to be getting?
So because you and yours could, everyone can? My grandparents also paid cash when my dad was born. When we cleaned out her house after she died we found the bill. Grand total was $61.
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Old 10-14-2017, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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So because you and yours could, everyone can? My grandparents also paid cash when my dad was born. When we cleaned out her house after she died we found the bill. Grand total was $61.
2 years ago when my niece was born, her delivery was close to $200,000. It was a healthy pregnancy, but there were complications in the last days that resulted in an emergency C-section, but all fairly routine as far as those things go.

Even a completely healthy pregnancy and delivery costs upwards of $20,000.
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