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Old 10-14-2017, 07:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I don't think you get it I will happily pay more to do that. I'm just one person though the majority needs to get in line to support helping the underclass.
Since when do heavily Dem cities with large populations not want to help the poor? Honestly, their continuing lack of adequately addressing the needs of their own poor is extremely hypocritical. Charity begins at home.
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Old 10-14-2017, 07:52 AM
 
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If you have not seen or heard his views all that FED money going to sustain them- be changed or lessened as well--- he wants to privatize all-- downsize govt except for the military
Ah... Trump's a Constitutionalist. Imagine that... A US President actually abiding by the US Constitution...
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Old 10-14-2017, 07:56 AM
 
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If you have not seen or heard his views all that FED money going to sustain them- be changed or lessened as well--- he wants to privatize all-- downsize govt except for the military
Insurance was cheaper for me before Obamacare so I'm all for bringing it back.

IMHO what they should have done was just extend medicaid to working class and have them pay premiums and then create a national high risk pool for the chronically ill instead of having state pools.

The 2 groups that Obamacare aimed for were those that couldn't afford premiums and those that were sick that couldn't get insurance.
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:08 AM
 
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I am sick to death of arguments like this. Yes, there are people who are overweight and who do not live healthy lifestyles, but there are also many people who become ill or injured through no fault of their own. I also have to wonder where you shop, because I have never seen anyone like that at our local Walmart, or anywhere else. The people I have seen using scooters were always either old or obviously injured.

This kind of BS is nothing more than a dressed-up version of the argument that bad things never happen to good people.
I'm in the medical field and some of these arguments are beyond comprehension. I think it's "magical thinking," more than anything else. If I do "such and such" (get a great job, save enough, work hard, purchase great insurance, fill in the blanks) things will be okay for me personally. Truth is most are on thin ice and anyone can end up bankrupt w/ a major illness, chronic illness, etc. The dominoes tend to fall very quickly.
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:11 AM
 
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You simply go to a busy street corner with a sign and beg for money to pay for needed medical attention. If you feel too sick to do that, then beg for a friend or relative to do the begging for you.
Huh??
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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St. Jude's and Shriners have charity hospitals for children. Why don't liberals open and fund charity hospitals for the poor?
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:21 AM
 
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Ah... Trump's a Constitutionalist. Imagine that... A US President actually abiding by the US Constitution...
Get real.

Trump has announced that he doesn't have to follow the Constitution's Emolument clause because he is POTUS and thus can accept payments from foreign governments with no problem.

He's been attacking the First Amendment protection of the Free Press right along. Did it again just the other day. Insinuated the FCC should pull NBC's license to broadcast.

Reportedly, he was surprised to find out about the 25th Amendment.

Trump likely doesn't even know what is in the U.S. Constitution and he darn sure isn't abiding by it.
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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Get real.

Trump has announced that he doesn't have to follow the Constitution's Emolument clause because he is POTUS and thus can accept payments from foreign governments with no problem.

He's been attacking the First Amendment protection of the Free Press right along. Did it again just the other day. Insinuated the FCC should pull NBC's license to broadcast.

Reportedly, he was surprised to find out about the 25th Amendment.

Trump likely doesn't even know what is in the U.S. Constitution and he darn sure isn't abiding by it.
Yeah.."The Constitution is just a piece of paper" as a previous President stated..right ?

You can't be ok with one party doing something and then outraged when the other party does the exact same thing.

Either you hold both parties to the same standard or just forget your standards.
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:29 AM
 
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I'm in the medical field and some of these arguments are beyond comprehension. I think it's "magical thinking," more than anything else. If I do "such and such" (get a great job, save enough, work hard, purchase great insurance, fill in the blanks) things will be okay for me personally. Truth is most are on thin ice and anyone can end up bankrupt w/ a major illness, chronic illness, etc. The dominoes tend to fall very quickly.
I think it may go deeper than magical thinking. Once you recognize your own vulnerability, you have to recognize the vulnerability of other people. Strip away all of the excuses, and it comes down to one thing, and one thing only: am I okay with people dying over money? Most people here who oppose health care for all have not been willing to actually say such a thing, but that's what it comes down to.
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:45 AM
 
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Get real.
I am. I don't see where in the US Constitution the Fed Gov is responsible for providing health care. The Fed Gov IS, however, responsible for providing for national defense.
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Trump has announced that he doesn't have to follow the Constitution's Emolument clause because he is POTUS and thus can accept payments from foreign governments with no problem.
Oh, please. That's such a lame allegation. George Washington’s Mount Vernon was a working plantation during his presidency, so did its international tobacco sales to foreign governments or officials violate the Emoluments Clause? No.

And too many in the MSM have been running supposed "news" stories without fact checking, therefore reporting fake news. Calling out fake news as exactly such is ALSO a First Amendment right, no?
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